[moomin]

I don’t think this tracks. I mean, the American Government is also part of the human race. Because we object to one part of the human race should we refuse to deal with any of it?

Humans have to make moral choices about where they personally draw the line and where they draw the boundary. Around the organisation that falsely imprisons Americans and runs concentration camps seems like a starting point.

[bradleyjg]

No one is in charge of making decisions for the human race. The President and Congress make decisions for all of the federal government.

If you thought the Windows division of Microsoft was acting extremely unethically would you still do business with the XBox division? It’s one CEO and one board that runs both.

[extra88]

Yes, because I know from experience with large organizations that there can be a lot of variance between different parts of an organization. Also, relatively little that happens is directly controlled or decided at the top.

[kube-system]

> The President and Congress make decisions for all of the federal government.

That’s fundamentally not true. Appropriations and appointments are not the same as “making decisions”, but even if they were, the judiciary still exists.

[bradleyjg]

Let’s circle back to the core issue here: are you or anyone else really claiming that the policies ICE is pursuing under Acting Director Matthew Albence, which so many people object to, are against the wishes of Acting United States Secretary of Homeland Security Kevin McAleenan or President Donald Trump? Or even that those two haven’t had a direct role is causing them to be pursued?

[kube-system]

No, I am not claiming either of those things.

[mcguire]

Yes?

(Having a misanthropic moment here.)