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by isaaafc 2467 days ago
The whole movement started with the proposal of an extradition bill by the government which allows anyone in Hong Kong deemed guilty by the Chinese government (note: HK is not China yet) to be extradited to China for trial, even foreigners. Needless to say, people protested because the Chinese judicial system is a total joke (if you don't agree with this, I'm not going to argue with you, but the whole comment would be meaningless).

People protested peacefully at first, but the government didn't give in and sent the police and triads to beat up citizens instead. Many things happened since then, mainly involving police brutality, misconduct, and collusion with triads and the Communist regime (like allegedly deploying Chinese police and the People's Liberation Army disguised as HK police). Therefore, now it has become a protest for 5 demands, namely:

1. Complete withdrawal of the said bill (now it has been "promised" by the Chief Executive Carrie Lam, but given the track record of her people will only believe it when they see it)

2. Revoke the riot definition of the protests

3. Release and cancel all the charges on people arrested for this movement

4. An independent commission to investigate police brutality and misconduct

5. True universal suffrage on both the CE and the legislative council

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> an extradition bill by the government which allows anyone in Hong Kong deemed guilty by the Chinese government (note: HK is not China yet) to be extradited to China for trial, even foreigners.

AFAIK, China is just one of the countries that was included in the bill. Hong Kong has become "fugitives' paradise" because it is unable to legally send criminals to the original country for trial.

> Chinese judicial system is a total joke

Don't disagree with you :-)

> the government didn't give in and sent the police and triads to beat up citizens instead

Fake news here. The government sent police to control riots. The people that got beaten up were criminals. Some media called them protesters. Bloomberg called them demonstrators. The ones in the front are criminals. They wear masks for the same reason that bank robbers wear masks. It is illegal to carry guns in Hong Kong so an umbrella is not a bad weapon. When these criminals charged forward, the police had no option but to control the situation using force.

> police brutality, misconduct, and collusion with triads and the Communist regime

Just compare to any Western country. If the same kind of violence were to happen in the US, someone would have been killed by the police. I'm not sure about collusion with triad. As for collusion with the communist party, we have to remember that Hong Kong is a Special Administrative Region of China. The Hong Kong government must work with China for any activity that may deem to be anti-government or challenge One-Country-Two-Systems. Collusion is the wrong choice of word here.

As for the 5 demands:

1. The extradition bill has been officially withdrawn.

2. This is impossible -- maybe it was possible in June but it's too late now given the violence.

3. This is impossible. It is also unreasonable because it would be a total dis-justice without going through the formal legal system.

4. There is already a system that citizen can make complaints against specific police behavior. It is also the wrong time to start any independent commission because the events are still unrolling.

5. It will take a long time to discuss again what made the "umbrella revolution" few years ago. The government seems open for discussions but if these so-called pro-democratic people cannot give in and resort to violent behavior then a "deal" can never been reached.

These recent events proved that some people in Hong Kong are indeed anti-government and their sole purpose is to tear down the One-Country-Two-Systems concept and make Hong Kong an independent country. By bad-mouthing the government and police, they are painting a picture that there is no other way but to separate itself from China. It includes certain media that is known to be biased -- Apple Daily News, The Stand News, and sometimes Radio Television Hong Kong (ironically, a government sponsored entity). They produce fake news by taking events out of context and fool everyone. IMO, these media and certain reporters are very unprofessional.

My 2 cents.

Regarding police brutality, I don't think it's fair to dismiss this as "fake news". Amnesty international, for example, have investigated and found plenty of problematic behaviour by the police: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/09/hong-kong-arb...

I don't agree that protestors are trying to tear down 1c2s. The issue seems to be that they dont trust China to stick to the agreement. Obviously if China won't honour their promises on 1c2s, independence becomes the only long-term solution.

Interesting. Your view, except for that towards Chinese judicial system, aligns perfectly with Carrie Lam. Literally everything she said about the movement is found here.

I'm providing views from the movement's supporters' side, and it's nice to have the ruler's side for others' reference as well.