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by ben509 2471 days ago
The central dispute is not whether CO2 causes a greenhouse effect. It's that CO2 is itself a relatively weak greenhouse gas, compared to say methane (making cow farts a valid concern), and our atmosphere is already relatively saturated. The dispute is whether increases in the amount of CO2 affect other climate systems that work together to magnify the warming, and that requires computer modelling.
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So far the spherical cow model of climate change that Arrhenius used, with better numbers for absorption spectra and so forth, have historically out performed computer models without disagreeing with them by a huge amount. We can hope that the most recent computer models are more accurate but we won't know quickly. You do need to model that CO2, while weak, blocks a spectrum of infrared that isn't blocked by the much more influential water vapor. But that still doesn't require looking at feedback loops, much less cell modeling.

To be honest that uncertainty about exactly how things will turn out is what makes me most concerned about global warming. Better to play Russian roulette with 6 blanks that'll ruin the hearing in one ear than with 4 blanks, one entirely empty chamber, and one actual bullet. IPCC forecasts are bad but they're not unbearably bad. The real danger is that thing'll go far worse even if we can also plausibly hope that they'll be far better.

Cow belches. But it turns out that extractors have been massively under-reporting their own belches. Anyway when the frozen polar methane bubbles (i.e., explodes) out, and the permafrost melts and decomposes, cows will be the least of our problems.
The simple example I gave can’t give you any sort of quantitative answer as far as how much the earth will warm, as you pointed out the earth climate is a complex system with many feedbacks. But it’s an easy way to see the basic principle.