[zozbot234]

> Why have whisper network, as one of the quotes I mentioned, if being "fat and ugly" is all that's needed to recognize a creep?

You think people aren't doing it all the time? Gossiping around folks, calling them fat and ugly behind their back? "Creep" is just the next step in the bullying ladder. (Of course, RMS hasn't exactly made things hard for his bullies. But let's not pretend that this sort of dynamic never happens in such cases.)

[eesmith]

If '"Creep" is just the next step in the bullying ladder' then there should be far more examples of women calling Stallman 'fat and ugly' than there are of calling him a creep.

What limited examples I found of calling Stallman 'fat' appear to come from males who also use, eg, racial or ethnic slurs against him.

The observed evidence therefore is not that there is a single ladder, but that there are multiple ladders, and "creep" is a different ladder than "fat" is a different ladder than "ugly".

Let's also not pretend that Stallman didn't have a decades long history of behavior which most other people of similar weight and beauty don't have.

[foobar_]

There was also this "hot inmate" meme.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Meeks

Speaks volumes in how pretty people are treated vs how fat and ugly people are treated.

[eesmith]

Or, Jethro Tull's "Fat Man":

  Don't want to be a fat man
  People would think that I was just good fun, man
  Would rather be a thin man
  I am so glad to go on being one, man

  Too much to carry around with you
  No chance of finding a woman, who
  Will love you in the morning and all the nighttime too

  Don't want to be a fat man
  Have not the patience to ignore all that
  Hate to admit to myself
  I thought my problems came from being fat

But there's no evidence that "fat and ugly" = "creep".