[rogerkirkness]

I actually read the whole thing you wrote and I still don't understand what your point is. Walden is a way for miserable people to justify that their misery comes from a place outside of themselves. True freedom is self control. It's not impossible to have self control in a market economy. It's also possible to not have self control in idealistic economies. If the world around you is not self determined, but interdependent, where money is a proxy for utility in a complex sense, adapting beats petty rebellion either way. Either you find a way to transcend it, and somehow make that vertically integrated idealistic existence sustainable, or you have to participate. I'm not arguing for the moral good, I'm arguing for the lack of alternatives. It's misery inducing to engage in petty rebellion when you could be winning instead. I feel like the capital class is pretty happy with their position, and if you look at where they come from it's basically all countries on earth and all social strata. The commonality is offering utility to the group. A lot of people just want less wealth ie. less inputs and outputs. That is as valid as it is impossible.