[JohnFen]

> I’ve been through the obsolescence of[...]

The difference is that those things had replacements available that were at least adequate.

[baddox]

If adequate replacements really aren't available, that could be an indication that the people desiring such replacements truly are in a small minority, and that the market is functioning as it ought to.

[JohnFen]

It may be, but that's beside the point.

[stuff4ben]

Your bluetooth experiences don't mimic the majority. You've just had some shitty headphones and/or Android phones. Never a problem on my iphones 4, 6, 8 Plus and I'm sure my soon to be 11 Pro with 10s of bluetooth enabled devices (cars, headphones, speakers, etc).

[JohnFen]

I never claimed that my experiences reflected the majority. However, my experience is shared by a lot of other people nonetheless.

Also, I've tried a wide variety of different bluetooth earphones on a variety of different smartphones. If the problem is just that I haven't found the right combination, then I'd say that is an argument against bluetooth for this purpose.

I shouldn't have to do a deep research dive just to find the combination that works. We're talking about listening to music here, not something tricky where a large research effort is justified.

[recursive]

Are you implying that Android users are in some secondary group? I was under the impression that was a bigger group than any other.

[brokenmachine]

I'm on Android and bluetooth works fine in my car, with all the limitations that bluetooth has.

I use a headphone jack for headphones because I'm an audio snob and it's much better audio quality with zero latency, I can use quality headphones, and I don't have to charge another thing. Bluetooth is a step backwards.

pros of headphone jack:

much better audio quality, zero latency, lighter headphones, one less thing to charge every day

cons of headphone jack:

a wire

For me it's no contest, and there's no reason we can't have both.

I definitely won't be buying a phone without a headphone jack, and the suggestion that I have to make that compromise is stupid.

[kirstenbirgit]

I use an iPhone 6s and sometimes my AirPods cut out randomly, and loses signal if they're in my pocket. I've been on quite a few walks where I need to hold my iPhone in my hand instead of having it in my pocket in order to listen to my podcast or whatever. Sometimes it's not a problem at all, though. Sometimes they don't charge, so I can only use 1 AirPod while I wait 5 minutes for the other one to charge a little. I can really understand why someone might find bluetooth maddening, but personally I find the wires even more annoying. Different strokes...