[dogprez]

The article is lost on me too. ~15 years professional experience as a software developer and I never had to deal with an "Operations" team. My understanding is that it's the people that would be doing Amazon's job if you were trying to not use AWS or some other cloud service?

"Devops" means not fighting with those people??? haha

[alchemism]

I take it you’ve never worked in any of the Fortune 500, then.

[irrational]

I work for a Fortune 150, but I’ve never worked with a operations, devops, etc. team.

[alchemism]

Who monitors production? Who provisions routers, wireless access points, VPN servers?

Just because you are “throwing it over a wall” doesn’t mean the team on the other side doesn’t exist.

[dogprez]

I've worked for a Fortune 500 company for the past 5 years, still nope.

[alchemism]

You configure the Cisco routers, then?

The company doubtlessly has a CEO, too, even if you are so compartmentalized as to never speak with her.

[dogprez]

I think the mismatch is that I never developed websites, think games, media tools, developer tools. Anytime there was a dependency on a web component I was using a cloud service, external or internal. Internal cloud services were operated by different BU's like a separate business. Software was distributed via boxed CD or 3rd party web stores. I've never looked into the eyes of someone that configures routers or even heard them mentioned in all my years. They were always essentially in a different company.

[alchemism]

That makes sense. It is modern in the sense of being structured as cloud services, yet the proverbial walls between Dev and Ops were tall and sturdy, as is the tradition.