[kelnos]

> If your using oracle and Delphi even though none of the developers would chose it because “that’s what management decided” you are not doing devops.

What does that have to do with DevOps? Clearly that's not an ideal situation, but that has nothing to do with CI/CD pipelines, developers handling operations work, etc.

[weberc2]

I think they're driving at "management is dictating technical decisions"; many people view DevOps as a cultural shift (if not a mindset) that includes empowering developers.

Interestingly, your question of illustrative of the "DevOps has no clear, standard definition" problem.