[kirsebaer]

Yeah, it's like a married woman in the 19th century would like to speak with a lawyer about her rights, and her husband forbids it, and people comment "oh, but is he really so bad? Why does she need a lawyer anyway?"

Employees are in a vulnerable position. It makes sense for them to join together and jointly hire lawyers and professional negotiators.

A company that forbids you from joining a union is abusive.

I've been in a union and it was super helpful.

Your start-up team wouldn't sign an agreement with a VC without consulting an attorney. Why should your employees sign an employment contract without getting outside advice and help?

[croh]

> Your start-up team wouldn't sign an agreement with a VC without consulting an attorney. Why should your employees sign an employment contract without getting outside advice and help?

This is really good point.

[jeegsy]

So from a lawyer then?

[colejohnson66]

> I've been in a union and it was super helpful.

Another anecdote: I’ve been in an unions and it did nothing for us. We were still working minimum wage.