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by pnongrata 2473 days ago
Israel espionage? That's ludicrous.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/cia-israel-mossad-jeffrey-epst...

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Former CIA and Mossad workers working in the highly (and badly) regulated private sector is not "Israel espionage" on the US government.

Edit: Why the down vote?

Private companies and Israel defense and intelligence agencies have deep ties, and the article shows. For instance:

> Mossad Director Yossi Cohen told the paper that the Mossad’s partnership with civilian companies in Israel is “excellent” and that the agency will continue to strengthen those ties.

People have jobs, learn, keep ties, and move on to do what they know elsewhere.

Talking about private sector, private contractor doing shaded activities for US clients is not the same as "Israel espionage". Israel is a country, does the article suggest evidence that Israel (or someone on its behalf) have done any espionage in US?

Qouting your comment from another thread: "The article is presenting a claim [you are, Israel espionage is not claimed in the article] which needs to be backed by sound evidence, like research papers [or any other evidence]. That's where the burden of proof lies, not on those who reject the claim on face value."

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> does the article suggest evidence that Israel (or someone on its behalf) have done any espionage in US?

Yes it does, many times. I'd also suggest you read the series on Epstein in which MintPress unravels a deep web of crooked connections between Intelligence and wealthy individiuals. They also go through the Promis software scandal (backdoor installed by Israeli intelligence).

Found no evidence supported examples where the state of Israel was taking part in any of the mentioned events
Intelligence agencies should not be permitted to launder their accountability and reputation through private contractors. By that I mean, when they inevitably do it you should call it what it is, not play along with their convenient fiction.
Do you have any reason to believe that intelligence agencies are involved in the cases mentioned? Why would they? Please cite.

Former workers are sometimes just that.

You really should look into the Promis scandal, on how historically Intelligence agencies have used shady private entities in order to avoid public scrutiny. It's very didatic.
Yes. Shit happened in the world. There were actual conspiracies. That is not to say that everything that can't be disproven is true.

(You're suggesting guilty until proven innocence logic) (You are welcome to worship the flying spaghetti monster until you can disprove its existence)

I was pointing to an actual case of state intelligence working with private entities to achieve shady goals. It is well documented, not a "conspiracy". You are simply refusing to read the material I have already provided and indicated (as in the Promis "incident"). Try reading the article and checking its sources before making snarky remarks.
Can you provide me with any reason to believe intelligence agencies don't use contractors, or don't use contractors who used to work for the agency in question? I doubt it.
I have not said that intelligence agencies don't use contractors.

You claimed that Israel's agencies had something to do with what the article above is discussing.

You should provide evidence.

(and no. The fact that former intelligence workers have roles in a related private company is not evidence of the country's involvement. Many companies employ or are managed by former intelligence workers. If you think they're all controlled by the Israel Mossad you should probably stop using firewalls/routers/CPU chipsets. Good luck)