[RHSeeger]

Please stop making arguments that are easy to shoot down, you're just fighting for the side you're trying to oppose.

> With our current system epipens are like a thousand bucks

No, they're not. One brand name EpiPen or EpiPen Jr. package (which contains 2 auto-injectors) will cost roughly $650-$700 if you are paying cash. Plus, you should be buying a generic, not the brand name.

> with our current system insurance can say no to treatment.

If they couldn't, then a lot of people would be getting the "super expensive experimental buy unlikely to help treatments". Sure, insurance companies turn down things they should not, but they also turn down things they should. Don't push for them to never be able to say no. Instead, push for them to only be able to say no when it makes sense.

If you're going to make arguments for universal healthcare (or even better healthcare), then do so in a responsible manner. Otherwise, you're just hurting the overall effort.

[tastroder]

>> > With our current system epipens are like a thousand bucks

> No, they're not. One brand name EpiPen or EpiPen Jr. package (which contains 2 auto-injectors) will cost roughly $650-$700 if you are paying cash. Plus, you should be buying a generic, not the brand name.

These two? [0] and [1]? Maybe as a point of reference from outside the US: Both seem to be USD 10.40 with a doctor's prescription here in Germany (which some people could get exempt from), and retail price seems to be 103 USD.

[0] https://www.docmorris.de/epipen-autoinjektor/10757425

[1] https://www.docmorris.de/epipen-junior-autoinjektor/10757431

[RHSeeger]

I wasn't saying that epipen's aren't over-priced. They are, as are the generics. And it's horrible.

However, if you're going to make an argument for the US healthcare system having problems, then don't use numbers that are trivially shown to be false. Because then your entire argument (which could be compelling with real numbers) can be discarded offhand as false.

Don't sabotage your own argument with invalid numbers.

[JoBrad]

In my view, your rebuttal lends more credence to the other side and smacks of pedantry, considering how much closer $650/700 is to $1000 than $10.