[butuzov]

Just some of the other violations...

- During peak production periods, resignations are not approved.

- Some dispatch workers have not received promised bonuses.

- Student workers do overtime during peak production season, even though regulations on student internships prohibit this.

- Some workers put in at least 100 overtime hours each month, during busy production periods. Chinese labor law limits monthly overtime to 36 hours.

- Workers must get approval to not do overtime. If requests are denied and staff still choose not to work overtime, they are admonished by managers and miss out on future overtime opportunities.

- Workers sometimes have to stay at the factory for unpaid meetings at night.

- The factory doesn’t provide adequate protective equipment for staff.

- Work injuries are not reported by the factory, and verbal abuse is common there.

[ajsnigrutin]

> - During peak production periods, resignations are not approved.

How the hell do they enforce this?

[seanmcdirmid]

Easy: you have to get a written release from your employer before you start your new job. They simply withhold that release (HR gets really confused when hiring from foreign countries that have no such concept).

[agumonkey]

This feels like being the property of someone..

[omnifischer]

I have had experienced this also in India. We call it No objection certificate (NOC).

[bonestamp2]

Does that mean your old employer has no objections that you work for any new employer or could they object depending on who the new employer is?

[ep103]

Welcome to China

[agumonkey]

I have a tiny anecdote about China.

Long ago I spent days on Omegle (the random chat website). I talked to a chinese woman. Most chinese people I met there were pretty sensitive and slow to type (english is not their favorite language maybe). Rapidly I told her how much China has influenced me as a kid. Food, silk clothing, martial art, architecture, philosophy (that's a bit broader than China but you get it). She was happy for a second then said "well not everything is good here". Vaguely hinting at the idea that government was too strict. Nothing revolutionary but she then went silent all of a sudden. She apologized a few times for saying such things about her country with some "oh my god" and then left.

I since know a bit more what freedom of speech means.

[jayess]

Well, you know, communism.

[verroq]

Probably by not paying?

[jbob2000]

This is what happens when incentives are not aligned with regulations. The companies say "we'll follow these regulations" but then turn around and tell the managers "meet this deadline". If you want people to follow regulations, you tell them "follow the regulations" and then if you happen to meet your deadlines, that's a bonus (and if the regulations get in the way of your deadlines, then add more capacity or change your deadlines).

[normalhuman]

> This is what happens when incentives are not aligned with regulations.

No, this is what happens when one leaves the fox guarding the hen house.

If incentives were aligned with regulations, there would be no need for regulations to begin with.

[jbob2000]

Lacking an incentive to stay away from the hen house, foxes will naturally move to "guard" them.

Same thing with managers. Lacking an incentive to follow regulations, they will naturally focus on instinctual outcomes; working harder, producing more, building quicker, etc. You need to provide incentives to stop them from doing the obvious, instinctual thing. Just like Foxes!