[kyrra]

As someone who has worked at multiple companies, currently at Google, you don't tend to leave a company, you leave a manager. Managers are one of your primary interfaces to a company. If those managers are crap, you will have a bad experience.

[scottlegrand2]

It's bigger than that IMO. I can switch managers at a big company. But if the entire division is inept, it's time to jump companies because it's a tell that the culture is decaying.

For me, the only reason I will never go back to GOOG is blind allocation. IMO that's a bug, not a feature.

[lreeves]

What is blind allocation and why is it bad?

[Zach_the_Lizard]

I'm guessing here, but I think this is referring to when a new hire cannot choose the team he or she is joining.

Google et al often do general hiring. This means that they hire you and then later decide where to assign you afterwards.

I had thought at Google hiring managers could bid on you and some kind of choice could be made. But maybe that's only in big enough offices with good enough resumes.

It's bad because you don't know which team you're joining and the quality of the manager. It's good because it lets the company assign you to the most important areas first.

Contrast this with a normal process where the hiring manager for the team you're joining is in the interview loop. You know ahead of time which team you're joining.

[jogjayr]

I don't think this happens at Google anymore. I knew what team I was joining, and spoke with the manager, before signing my offer. I've been asked to do phone calls/lunches with prospective new hires to sell them on our team. Everyone who started on the team after me told me they spoke with multiple teams before signing on.

[cbanek]

My experience was that while you might get to talk to your manager before accepting, you don't get to interview with the team you will be working on.

That hugely slants the purpose of the interview toward Google, as the candidate really has no idea who they will be working with, or how they think. The interview should go both ways and provide information to both sides on if it's a good fit, but at Google, they go only one way.

This might be a small point for most, but for minority candidates, knowing who you will be working with and having confidence they won't actively cause you grief is a big sticking point. At least it was for me (I turned them down).

[jogjayr]

> you don't get to interview with the team you will be working on.

That's why I mentioned that I've been asked to do lunch or a phone call with prospective hires. I'm not a manager, just a grunt, and these candidates wanted to speak with people from the team.

[rco8786]

What’s blind allocation?

[opportune]

I don’t really agree with this, most of my decisions regarding moving companies have been motivated primarily by money/tech/location rather than my manager. And I assume it’s similar for many others. Plenty of people leave google to work at places with similarly good perks but better pay even if they have no issues with their manager