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by semi-extrinsic 2481 days ago
Why is it ridiculous? If you look at Transport for London as an example, the organization employs 25,000 people, of which 3,000 are train operators, with 600+ trains. The salary + indirect wage costs for those people is on the order of $250 million per year. Which I think is pretty cheap, compared to what you'd guesstimate for CAPEX and OPEX for an automated system.

Now they are actually in the process of automating the trains, which has been criticised by many as a vanity project. Certainly it has not been shown that it makes financial sense. And it has been decided that they will retain a "captain" aboard the train, for safety reasons, as someone has to lead passenger evacuation in case of an emergency. So the total salary savings will be essentially zero.

Fully level-4 automated may makes sense for new builds. But for retrofits, you can't satisfy the overall requirements without a human physically present.

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>Now they are actually in the process of automating the trains, which has been criticised by many as a vanity project.

The DLR has been driverless, since it was introduced in 1987 ─ it is a working example of the paradox of automation, which states: the more efficient the automated system, the more crucial the human contribution of the operators. Humans are less involved, but their involvement becomes more critical. This will be the unwritten hard limit for the time-being, when it comes to implementing the levels of autonomy, irrespective of the condition of the rolling stock or wage costs, which are moot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docklands_Light_Railway

https://www.citymetric.com/transport/one-picture-dlr-morning...

Germany is thinking about automation, but for cost saving. (it might increase) but to be able to put more trains on one track and behind each other..
Yes, by always stopping in the same place, lines can be painted at entries and exits to speed up station flow.

If you want to erect barriers to increase safe station capacity, you need that too.

Finally, the automated trains will have smoother acceleration and braking, reducing wear and tear on the trains and tracks.