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by acid303 2481 days ago
My dad told me about police doing the same during protests in 80s Poland
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Let's hope it ends peacefully too then.
Not with chinese communists unfortunately
The Communist Party of China are not Communists. Communism is heavily centred around the rights of workers. It is a Capitalist country with state control of markets, as opposed to the usual paradigm of capitalism which is controlled by individual and independent monopolies.
It's not capitalist unless you're talking state capitalism. It's market socialist, and not the European flavor of progressive socialism, but the dictatorial flavor of centralized control of the soviet style. I agree though that this is definitely not Marxist communism, but that also has major social implications such as free love, etc.
The point is not wether they are truly communist or something else, but an authoritarian regime, which is rather undeniable.
Yes unfortunately these Communist are not broke as the Soviet Union was. It's disheartening to see how the West economic interests in China make civil rights seemingly less important.
The only reason these protesters have not simply been shot with real bullets is that China can't afford the massive negative economic consequences that would follow, as people would become afraid that China has become authoritarian enough to just nationalize everything within their reach, including all investments anyone may have made into China. Government-based tariffs are bad for them, but within the normal domain of country's relationships with each other, and can be managed as a known risk. The entire world just deciding not to do business with China would be catastrophic for them; they can't just hope a particular politician gets removed or that they might be able to offer enough concessions to get tariffs removed, they would have no recourse.

Non-China ("Western" doesn't quite cover it, there are others too) economic interests are the only things keeping these protesters alive.

China could easily afford to wipe Hong Kong off the face of the map, but it would ruin the image that they are trying to show of paternalism. China militarized islands they said they wouldn't, invaded India, is threatening the United States military ships in international waters, and egging on war with Japan. China has a massive and captive internal market that makes up the majority of their economy. It would certainly hurt to lose the western trading powers, but it's not like they wouldn't be able to survive without them.
I agree, but what I meant is that there is an obvious hypocrisy in the way the West behaves.

Civil rights seem to be mentioned only when the countries which don't respect them are poor or weak. When there is an economic interest they seem not be so important anymore.

But it did in the 2014 Hong Kong protests.
Those protestors never got violent. 2014 Umbrella Movement was all about love and peace.