[zaphirplane]

What’s the Mozilla community like for external contributions? Before the big google dollars it seemed cliquey and now seems mostly paid people. Is that accurate ?

I wonder what happens to Firefox if the search dollars run out and companies are uniting behind chrome/WebKit

[The_rationalist]

I regularly watch commits from webkit, chromium, gecko-dev and servo.

Webkit is developed almost exclusively by Apple (or more maintained because development is very slow, btw I suspect that Apple will drop webkit as it become too far behind) There are also a few igalia devs and one Sony dev + one Gmail dev.

Chromium is developed by so many people, Google, Microsoft, opera, QT, hardware makers (ARM, Intel, nvidia), some enterprises, and many contributors (I wonder if chromium has more opensource non paid contributor than gecko)

Servo is mostly developed by paid mozilla devs, but had major improvements made by contributors. Proportionally far more non paid contributor than the gecko of today, I expect mostly because they work on github which is more friendly than bugzilla and mailing lists...

Gecko dev today non paid developers are a few minority.

If Firefox does not die by himself, expect Google to slowly stop paying them Thus mozilla will die which would be a great loss.

Mozilla could save it's future, mozilla could become sustainable: I made a proposal here: https://github.com/servo/servo/issues/24026

[leadingthenet]

What a terrible argument. I really don’t understand how people don’t see the negative effects of browser monoculture. I feel like I’d just be rehashing the same old points :(

[The_rationalist]

Which argument? Firefox is dying, it's a fact, watch the marketshare over time.

Were you referring to my proposal on github?

[leadingthenet]

> Were you referring to my proposal on github?

I was, yes.

[The_rationalist]

Sorry but what's your alternative? I understand that it does not please you (I actually think that mozilla merging with chromium would be a good thing and we disagree on that)

But you can't disagree with my plan? It would mean you have an alternative (you probably don't), or that you wish that the trend continue and that mozilla die (you don't actually wish that)

[TheGoddessInari]

Google can't even get its own house in order. Working with web brokenness is all to do with Chrome monoculture these days. You have to make crazy workarounds even for electron-based apps.

A monoculture inherently creates fragility and inflexibility without the need to compete or collaborate.

Chrome removing ad blocker functionality is one reason why Mozilla is sorely needed.

Unfortunately, people don't realize that they are the product with Google, and ever more invasive spying will always the norm with them.

Dont drink the Kool-aid.

[shortlived]

Did you ever post your proposal to the mozilla dev mailing as requested by jdm?

I'd like to read the discussion but can't find anything in the archives.

[The_rationalist]

No, I didn't because.. <shame>I'm too lazy and the site was ugly on Android</shame>

[machinecoffee]

>If Firefox does not die by himself, expect Google to slowly stop paying them

If the web is going towards a Chrome monoculture, then perhaps Microsoft would step in to keep some competition in the marketplace.

Stranger things have happened!