[bayesian_horse]

It seems like the well known React developer has a somewhat more ... illustrous ... history of questionable behavior, so while he may not be an actually white supremacist, he does seem to fit a certain toxic mold.

On the other hand, the mentioned female developer has probably had quite a lot of such experiences with direct and indirect racism, perceived or actual, but either she kept quiet or it didn't blow up that much.

[sweeneyrod]

Are you referring to the behaviour described here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g4oh2GGZOsucZfT1YJ5wjDUS... (for instance using the words "guys", "stupid" and "crazy") or something else?

[layoutIfNeeded]

The word “guys” means something bad in the U.S.?

Sorry, English is not my native language, and I’m genuinely interested because I’ve been using this word quite often and didn’t know it’s offensive.

[coldtea]

>The word “guys” means something bad in the U.S.?

Only among people who think just because everybody should change how they talk to accommodate their (frequently updated) ideologies...

[bayesian_horse]

Depends on context. If you are a female developer and get constantly referred to as "guy" or to be part of "guys", it's at best annoying.

Just as "guys" don't like to get called "girls".

[layoutIfNeeded]

I see! I didn’t know this was the case in the US. I’ve checked my English dictionary and it says:

>guys: Informal Persons of either sex.

I guess it’s one of those differences between British and American English. Good to know, because it seems like one could easily get in trouble for using it incorrectly (in the British sense) in the US!

Thanks!

[seanmcdirmid]

Yes, this is country specific, and girls who take offense are primarily in the USA or have learned American English.

[k__]

The problem doesn't seem to be that it is male in some places and neutral in others, but that it's considered neutral even tho' it's clearly male.

[coldtea]

It's mostly people who look for reasons to be offended to validate themselves...

[__exit__]

What's the source of that document?

I found a page[0] with more info and link references to multiple sources that seems to explain everything in detail.

[0]: https://dev.to/aryanjnyc/ken-wheeler-and-dan-abramov-deactiv...

[sweeneyrod]

The last Tweet in the article you link

[k__]

Interesting that the Vue devs are the source of this.

[coldtea]

>so while he may not be an actually white supremacist, he does seem to fit a certain toxic mold.

E.g. person who doesn't agree with my favorite ideology on all its points?