[stephen_g]

I don't think it's so much that the algorithms aren't smart enough to tell, it's that Google have had to make the algorithm still match in the case of people altering music with filters/effects, time stretching, pitch shifting etc. - so it's been made deliberately a lot less sensitive to most of the factors that a musician brings into their interpretation.

That's fine - it's probably necessary for Google to not be constantly dragged into the courts by actual infringement slipping through with small alterations. The issue is that there is absolutely no recourse for an incorrect match. There's no option to say 'no, the algorithm is wrong' or 'the claimant has made a false claim' - the nearest option is to claim fair use, and that kicks it back to the claimant to be able to lie again if it was fraudulent, with no fear of consequences.

There needs to be some process where it can be appealed to a human. I think the best way I have seen suggested is to stake a small amount of money on it to have somebody review it - say, $15 from each party, and then you lose it if it's ruled against you, or get a refund if you win. That should easily pay for half an hour of somebody's time, so they could hire staff to do it.

If the claimant lost and still didn't agree, it could be escalated to DMCA, where there are potential penalties for fraudulent claims (even if it doesn't happen much).

[donmcronald]

Make it $50 and give half to the winner.

Or you could even turn it into a system where you can post a (prepaid) bond for a video. Ex: $50 gets automatic human review. $500 gets a phone call from a rep. The catch is you lose the bond if you're legit infringing. Make it channel wide and I bet there's a class of YouTubers that would be willing to post multi thousand dollar bonds to assert their legitimacy.

[la_barba]

But why would you want anyone to have to pay anything? Google is one of the richest companies. This should be simply the cost of doing business. Google wants to make money by removing humans completely. They should have to pony up the expenses for when their system fails...

[donmcronald]

The cheaters and liars need to be penalized. If they're spending others' money they won't stop trying.

[la_barba]

>The cheaters and liars need to be penalized.

You want Google to adjudicate on more things?! Now you're going to need an appeals process for when they get it wrong here as well.

[TeMPOraL]

They already are, this is the same process and it already has an (ineffective) form of appeals. The suggestion is only to add cost to it to disincentivize abuse.

[Wowfunhappy]

We don't necessarily disagree, but what bothers me is when people blame Google for this, as opposed to focusing on the draconian laws that have forced their hand.

[TremendousJudge]

poor Google, making billions of dollars out of other people's work with an automated system where it's impossible to talk to a real person. feel real bad for them

[Brian_K_White]

Poor me for the results our idiotic laws have produced. I do in fact feel real bad for me.

[TeMPOraL]

These laws didn't appear out of the blue, they're created and lobbied for by rich companies making money off copyright. Blaming Google for facilitating further abuse of copyright laws is a fair thing to do, and frankly, the unlikely event in which Google uses its money to put pressure towards fixing these laws is still more likely than the laws getting fixed because "we the people" somehow coordinated enough on the issue.

[visarga]

Seems like a great solution if it doesn't get abused by claimants. Maybe the verification status should remain permanent, or further disputes should escalate the sum staked for the claimants.