[Bahamut]

My team owns a Clojure app, amongst a lot of other apps - my understanding is the current DRI (who inherited this app once the original one left for another org) doesn't like working in it though, and that has been the experience of other developers who have been recruited to the project over the past two years. Most developers I work with on a day to day basis don't have any interest in learning Clojure, and would rather work with Scala, the JVM language most heavily used within my org.

One of my teammates also has production ClojureScript experience, and called it the worst of both worlds (Clojure and JavaScript). The primary problem is it doesn't try to abstract away the DOM, the most typically problematic part of working with JS.

Just my own encounter with it so far - I haven't had the experience of writing production Clojure myself, but from what I've seen with the syntax, I'm still happily primarily writing JS so far when I'm not writing Python/Scala/etc.

[kgwxd]

Ive been doing various methods of js dev with tons of different framworks and traspilers for 20 years, nothing is more pleasant to work with than ClojureScript and re-frame once you learn it. It's the best of all the worlds, and the DOM is very abstracted away via React. State transition is a breeze with immutable data structs. Theres only 1 language to write, no JSX ugliness.

[vga805]

I have had a similar experience over the past 15 years. re-frame is absolutely wonderful.

[etatidem]

+1

[invalidOrTaken]

I can understand some reluctance. My current position has suffered a lot of churn as devs ran away from clojure. My boss was very glad I showed up when I did.

It does require a different way of thinking. I was lucky in that I had very little experience, academic or professional, when I picked it up. I had a lot less to unlearn.

But that doesn't mean it's limited to ultra-brainy lisp weenies. We have undergrads writing clojure, never having written clojure before, in their first programming job. They do just fine.

[dkersten]

> The primary problem is it doesn't try to abstract away the DOM

Clojurescript has heavily bought into React. No cljs programmer I know deals with the DOM, but rather uses a React-based library to do it. Personally, I use re-frame and reagent and haven’t needed to interact with the DOM myself in years. I find working in cljs a LOT more productive and pleasant than working in Javascript (which I also use a lot, although if given the chouce I’d use cljs instead).

[beders]

ClojureScript doesn't try to abstract away the DOM. It really depends on the front-end library used. Reagent (and re-frame) is pretty much react with goodies and you can easily integrate other react libraries (using shadow-cljs)