[LordFast]

Let me clarify:

- A non-decision by Google management to not place limits on its internal culture is a decision in itself, and has consequences that we are currently experiencing.

- "Justice" is not something for a profit-seeking company to have influence or power over. This is my personal belief. I believe there are other channels that are better designed to address those issues.

- My belief on this subject is limited to the above.

[freshhawk]

> "Justice" is not something for a profit-seeking company to have influence or power over.

But since they do in reality, especially if they are profitable and thereby gain power, it seems like something that should be discussed.

It would be great if they actually didn't have influence or power over justice, definitely, but they do.

[SllX]

If you take a look inside the United States for a moment, you’ll realize we actually have a fairly hard division between civil, criminal, and political disputes.

Civil justice concerns two private parties, typically adjudicated by a Judge and Jury when they cannot reach an agreement.

Criminal justice concerns the State, represented by the Attorney-General or someone who works for him, and someone found to be in criminal violation of the laws of the State. They murdered, raped and/or defrauded someone, or something like that. The State takes a special interest because they have a monopoly on violence to enforce, and no one wants people taking Justice into their own hands. It would violate the social contract.

Political justice is typically subjective, an example of political justice would be Congress impeaching and removing a President or other official from Office.

What form of Justice are corporations specifically found to have disproportionate influence over? Certainly they might influence some laws and regulations around the governing of their business practices, but not all laws are concerned with Justice.

Justice is the domain of legislatures, Attorneys-General, police officers, juries, lawyers, prosecutors, public defenders, and so on. Justice is the domain of people that have the power to detain, arrest, try, pass judgement, imprison and kill you.

You take it as a given that they have this power and influence, but let’s say they do. Why would we formalize that state of affairs implicitly or explicitly? Their job is to be profitable, it is not to act in any meaningful capacity on Justice.

[scoobyyabbadoo]

Why should a bunch of tech workers be administering justice? We've elected government officials to handle that.

[freshhawk]

"Freedom is a verb", "citizenship", whichever of the many versions of the objection to that idea are all available.

We elected officials to administrate it only, these ideals are done by everyone.

[scoobyyabbadoo]

>We elected officials to administrate it only, these ideals are done by everyone.

That's mob rule / vigilantism.

[freshhawk]

Justice is a much larger category of things than "using violence to control anti-social behaviour" as in policing/criminal law/etc.

[pm90]

They don’t.

[remarkEon]

The solution to that problem is a new government.

Not to give Google corporate Sovereignty to replace it.