[yaowenjiaozi]

#2 withdrawal of "riot" characterization and #3 unconditional release of all arrested protestors, then by implication #4 independent inquiry into police behaviour.

Because if #2 and #3 come to be, then #4 will surely severely censure the police for firing tear gas, bean bag bullets and rubber bullets, which will demoralize the police, greatly damage their ability to maintain law and order and incentivize rioting as the proper form of making demands going forward. Supposedly Hong Kong's laws/ordinances governing the conduct of independent inquiries contain provisions against self-incrimination, which is possibly another means for rioters and their organizers to safeguard themselves against prosecution by presenting at the independent inquiry. I say "supposedly" because while chapter and verse were quoted, I haven't looked them up myself and IANAL anyway.

The "protestors" are demanding non-negotiable acceptance of all 5 demands.

[cameronc56]

If I had to guess, it is not an inquiry into standard riot police procedure.

2 days ago a video surfaced of two hong kong police officers torturing a 62 year old man: https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/cstj3u/hong...

Do you not think it is fair for protesters to want to launch an inquiry into this behavior?

> incentivize rioting as the proper form of making demands going forward

what evidence of rioting is there? afaik these protests have been peaceful.

[yaowenjiaozi]

> Do you not think it is fair for protesters to want to launch an inquiry into this behavior?

For the torture case, it is reported that the policemen involved have been arrested. In my view, the case should be dealt with under existing laws. An independent inquiry should be launched if/when there is systemic police abuse.

> Evidence of rioting

Many videos on Youtube. Here's one on last week's airport assault of two mainland Chinese. The two were trapped and tortured for hours and rioters prevented medical/police personnel from getting to them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz4-Ld1l7iI

Another video of the airport riot. According to reports, the policeman who drew his pistol had had his testicles smashed when he was being beaten up and he is now in hospital.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpQpwQijRzg

Attacking the Legislature building in July.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO16RnQNZmU

Attacking the Legislature, view from outside.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPU86QO8pUw

In June.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG23TIb-pUo

Randomly attacking a policeman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuCgEAxwevI

Randomly attacking civilian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15gprNFvBiY

It has been like this for weeks.

It's funny (in a sad way) reading in this thread posters confidently labeling others brainwashed when they are the ones being fed a controlled narrative.

[cameronc56]

None of those links provide any context to why they were started.

> Another video of the airport riot. According to reports, the policeman who drew his pistol had had his testicles smashed when he was being beaten up and he is now in hospital.

https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/cputoi/policeman_sta...

See how it was started by the policeman bodyslamming a innocent girl?

I could also cherry pick a bunch of videos showing chinese violence against protesters.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/clbof6/in_a...

https://amp.news.com.au/national/queensland/hong-kong-protes...

https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/coy60g/a_young_femal...

[yaowenjiaozi]

> no context

You asked for evidence of riots. Are you claiming that these scenes don't constitute rioting?

As for context, some of the links I provided are news reports in Cantonese or Mandarin. I suppose you don't understand what the newscasters or the people in the videos are saying?

> bodyslamming a (sic) innocent girl

And there was a bunch of armed people on standby all ready to retaliate? Yup, not the scene of a riot.

> https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/clbof6/in_a...

You know that the guy punching is Chinese how?

All of them were speaking Cantonese. I speak Cantonese and I understand what they were saying.

> https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/coy60g/a_young_femal...

The woman was shot at a _siege_ of a police station and she was in rioters' typical battle gear. The police have not ruled out that they could have shot her, but they are still investigating. The woman has so far refused to come public. If she was indeed shot by the police, you'd imagine that the protest movement would've called press conferences, published hospital reports and all that. So far, nothing.

> https://amp.news.com.au/national/queensland/hong-kong-protes...

I condemn all violence. This subthread is on evidence of rioting in Hong Kong. Yes you can cherry pick videos showing violence carried out by Chinese-looking people. And that's what you have done.

Edit: Wording

[ferest]

Exactly as you said. #2 and #3 make the consequence of doing such protest/riot to zero, then #4 punish police force because of they enforcing the law

These would make next protest cost down to zero, and demoralized police hands will be tied to response. This is destroying HK's justice system and legislation system by encouraging solving the interest conflict in the street, because protests could solve the problem can't be solved in the court/Legco, and taking no or minor responsibility. This mobocracy.

Even the gov made compromises under the table, they wouldn't claim they accepted them.

And there is no leader of protesters, which means even 5 demands are accepted, there could be another group demands for next 5. And asking them in the air instead of asking negotiating on the table, non-negotiable acceptance with no trade-off, all these don't look like protester are truly seeking for talk or solution, or they were designed not to do so.

[Nasrudith]

So accountability is a non-starter? That is quite telling of why they are protesting in the first place.