[Mikeb85]

Long term, if Ukraine succeeds, it'll be because of pragmatic politicians like Zelensky. Not because of anti-Russian fervor.

And if HK and China do eventually become liberal democracies, it'll be because of gradual change within the Chinese government.

I'm personally very optimistic about their long term prospects, I just think history has taught us that violent revolution or sudden change usually leads to negative consequences in the short to mid term. There's more than enough examples in our lifetime.

On the other hand, most of the economic gains, the reduction of poverty around the world, the economic development of Europe, Asia and Africa have all been done thanks to the rule of law, relative peace, investment, etc... Not due to revolution.

[markus_zhang]

Sensible man.