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by nesadi 2491 days ago
Yeah, no. If feminism were at all interested in improving the mental health of men, it wouldn't be called feminism. Feminism is only interested in men insofar as the whole gender is considered the source of womens' issues.
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Third-wave feminism is about including and respecting everybody who has been made unequal by systems of power and privilege, and that very much includes men.

https://everydayfeminism.com/2014/01/feminism-now/

Where did you learn about the definition of feminism? Feminism is called feminism because it advocates women's rights in order to bring about equality of the sexes in all aspects of public and private life.

The term was coined in the late nineteenth century; before women's suffrage and the gradual abolishment of a whole host of other laws and customs that suppressed (and in some cases still suppress) women — hence the name of the movement.

In theory both Feminism and Communism are perfect, by their own definitions.

In practice, feminist District Attorneys are attacked by other feminists for defending due process, see here:

https://app.getpocket.com/read/2699410657 https://www.chronicle.com/interactives/20190807-feminist-law...

The point is, yes, in the past there were many injustices against women. No one denies this. These injustices must be corrected.

But the solution is not to tilt the balance so that all injustice now goes against men, when any accused is automatically assumed guilty, and losing their jobs, scholarships, everything, before a ruling is made.

The solution is to try to avoid any and all injustice, and we are failing at that.

Hell, we can't even criticize feminism if we are not women and self-proclaimed feminists.

> in order to bring about equality of the sexes in all aspects of public and private life.

And none of that has anything to do with helping men. It's all about women. Which is fine, women need advocates for all the shit they have to put up with. But pretending that feminism has any interest at all in helping men is utter bullshit and such an atrocious lie and this isn't the place to push that lie. I've never once ever in my life been helped by a feminist. I've been demonized, insulted, discriminated against, but never helped. Because that's not their goal.

Yes, that's the definition as it certainly "feels" like to many men. And because it's perceived this way, it's mission is hamstrung from the word go.
> Yes, that's the definition as it certainly "feels" like to many men. And because it's perceived this way, it's mission is hamstrung from the word go.

The problem here is men basing their view of feminism on their own emotional intuition, or at the very least, approaching feminism through the lens of third party anti-feminist activism and web culture rather than engage with feminism or feminist theory firsthand.

Obviously if everything you know about feminism comes from people who hate it, and caricature radical feminists on Twitter and Tumblr, you're not going to trust any criticism the movement has about you. But that's like expecting to get a realistic view of black culture from /pol/.

> problem here is men basing their view of feminism on their own emotional intuition,

Fair enough, but no man or woman is an island we all must be cognizant of others' perceptions.