[newguy1234]

I live in california. Every weekday here we have millions of people that make their commute to work. I would say 95% of this transport is using fossil fuels. Most of these same people are probably against pipelines as well but the reality is if you get rid of pipelines and create fossil fuel shortages or prices to skyrocket then you will see an uprising. Thats the reality.

[munk-a]

Given the vestigial state that public transit has allowed to degrade to - sure. The problem is that fossil fuel shortages will happen in the future and no planning is being done for that, if these pipelines were being built while trillions were being poured into infrastructure to support a green transit based world then I'd have less objections, but it's not happening. The US Government is actively subsidizing fossil fuel extraction while municipalities tighten their belts on public transit - this is bad.

Also, just to note, EVs are getting heavy investment right now and will be able to dominate the market without any infrastructure investments.

[lumberingjack]

Sounds like the green New deal lets stop burning coal and burn all the trees down instead. People are so morally corrupted and internally conflicted about it they're not sure what to support.