[DrJosiah]

This thread hurts so bad.

I never used helm / kubernetes before 3 months ago.

Not 2 weeks ago I needed to loop in a helm config file in order to basically say "all this same config, libraries, etc., just run this other command instead" ... because someone who makes those decisions had ~100 lines of environment-injected configuration + boilerplate in the yaml that I couldn't get rid of, needed, and would have otherwise needed to copy / paste.

Since then, those environment variables have been pulled out into a different file (refactoring!), and now we replaced a loop over 100 lines of config, with 2x sets of 15-20 lines of config boilerplate. Better, but still a lot of bull. I don't know what the right answer is, because we've got less helm templating bullshit in there, but we still need boilerplate. Because it's not like I can tear down an entire kubernetes + helm infrastructure because I don't like how the config files are written.

Configs / config generation is hard, and generally awful. If you don't see it that way, congratulations; you're either a genius in your field, you've got not enough experience, and/or you're wrong. If you believe it's easy, and we're all missing something - please, by all means, write a book on how / why configurations aren't as hard as the rest of us say they are.

Best of luck to you.

[SomeOldThrow]

> Configs / config generation is hard, and generally awful. If you don't see it that way, congratulations; you're either a genius in your field, you've got not enough experience, and/or you're wrong.

The point I'm trying to make is that you're describing broken frameworks, data flows, and work flows, and blaming it on config generation. If you have a counter example, I'd love to see it. Discussing these things in the abstract is pretty pointless and based in emotional language/semantic quibbling rather than meaningful things people can reason about and discuss, like code comparison or time tradeoffs.

Hell, because no specific GOOD examples of configuration-as-code have been brought up, literally everyone in this thread could be considering a different pet example of theirs. It's OBVIOUSLY a waste of everyone's time without examples. Why bother comment at all—to go out of your way to punch down without contributing to the discourse?

[DrJosiah]

> punch down

You say this is easy. Seems to me that you're claiming to be elevated above us all with something we don't know, claiming that everyone else is doing it wrong, all the while hiding behind anonymity.

Stop clutching your pearls and faking the victim. No one is punching down; you're claiming knowledge you don't have and are being called out for it.

Look at any one of the references cited in the thread.

[SomeOldThrow]

It's quite hard to claim anyone is wrong when nobody (in this thread...) has made substantial claims.

[DonHopkins]

Were my claims insubstantial? Do you think I faked those videos, or didn't write the code I linked to?

[DonHopkins]

Lots of examples in my other post, including links to some open source code (UnityJS).