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by icsllaf 2505 days ago
Do you really need context when a country is stripping its citizens of the right of communication, movement, and religion?
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Religion? Thought you'd just sneak that past huh? How did India deny the right of religion? A temporary shutdown of communication, movement for public safety can be argued as justified for an area that's historically prone to violence resulting in loss of life and property. Kashmiri's themselves have lost the most in this Pakistan inspired violence.
Is it justified to temporarily suspend rights/privileges of 100 people to stop some 2 people from creating a situation where 2 other people lose their lives?

kashmir has been a breeding ground for islamic terrorists from quite some time now. some consider it an achievement that there has not been any loss of life (as a result of recent restrictions). there are vested political interest at work from all sides involved and nobody cares about anybodys rights.

I'd say that it's justified if and only if that community fof 100 people agrees to willingly suspend these rights and liberties (the word 'privileges' isn't appropriate here) because they consider that it's for a good cause that they support.

But if you come in from the capital and take away their rights from innocent people (i.e. anyone other than the "2" you mention in your example) without the consent of that community, then that's evil oppresion - and the factors you mention are weak excuses, they certainly are not valid justification for that.

The question should have one added word.

>Is it justified to temporarily suspend rights/privileges of 100 innocent people

Which the answer is always no. Saying otherwise opens the door to more police state factors encroaching upon the rights of the others. The same thing is happening in Xinjiang against innocent muslims there and in no case is unlawful detention without reasoning ever justified.

you missed my point - rights went down the drain a long time ago.
40 people ended up dead in the aftermath of killing of the terrorist leader, Burhan Wani, when there were no curbs of speech and assembly.

Right now, the number of casualties stand at 0 [7].

Article 370, was a discriminatory law which treated everyone but the Sunni Muslim males of the valley, as second class citizens.

Kashmir and it's political elite did nothing with the autonomy, and left the state in a more backward legal condition than India, where the law has at least (painfully) slowly evolved to decriminalise homosexuality, yielded greater property rights to women, and provide (controversial) affirmative action to disadvantaged sections of the population, among other things. Not to mention, democratic institutions governing elections, and investigating corruption have also been established, but not in Kashmir because of 370.

Instead the elites have only used their autonomy to provide cover to terrorists, create corrupt patronage networks, dodged investigative agencies building anti-corruption cases, enable nepotistic official appointments etc [6].

In spite of these things, the valley's Muslim population supports 370, because they have significantly bought into radical Islamic ideology, to the extent that their struggle against India is now religious and seeks to establish an Islamic state, rather than freedom from India for ethnic Kashmiris (which only is only around 60% Sunni Muslim and the rest include Buddhists, Shias - who are in favour of 370 abrogation, Hindus, Jains and Sikhs).

Their most popular slogan, which you can also hear in the video released by BBC is:

"Hum kya chahte? Azaadi! Azaadi ka matlab kya? La illaha il allah!"

which translates to ~>

"What do we want? Freedom! What does freedom mean? There is no god but Allah!"

In that video you can also hear them chanting the names of killed ISIS and Al Qaeda leaders and you can see people carrying ISIS and Jaish-e-Mohammed flags.

In my opinion, any action taken by the government to eliminate these guys is fully justified, and any ground ceded to them will only result in more escalation of the conflict. See the current US negotiation with Taliban amidst daily attacks, suicide bombings and no ceasefire [4], [5]. Islamist tactics are the same everywhere, especially in this case, since they have both been supported by Pakistan.

[1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-38454483

[2]: https://www.bolantimes.com/pakistan-armed-forces-have-allege...

[3]: https://www.dawn.com/news/1150066

[4]: https://thediplomat.com/2019/08/why-are-the-taliban-reluctan...

[5]: https://time.com/5645984/afghanistan-taliban-suicide-car-bom...

[6]: https://www.lawfareblog.com/indias-move-kashmir-unpacking-do...

[7]: https://twitter.com/BDUTT/status/1161969318088699904

Yes?
I disagree and say that when human rights are removed, it doesn't matter what the context is.

1. Terrorists deserve the same human rights as normal people.

2. The removal of liberties is extended upon all citizens making this province an open air jail.

The fact that the situation in Kashmir changed so rapidly as well doesn't bode well for the reasoning behind this crackdown as well.

The question was not if having context justifies the action, but rather if having context helps better understand the reasons this happened.