[4ntonius8lock]

"First the establishment will ignore you; then they laugh at you; then they crack down on you and then you become part of the establishment." Someone

I'm glad everything he represents is now accepted. I remember watching Pink Flamingos in the early 2000s when I was discovering cinematography and understanding the industry and it's evolution. It has shock value, but it was deeper than that. When I saw his film, it reminded me a little of Warhol in a way.

I'm actually glad the acceptance is so quick, just 13 years ago the United States federal government arrested someone for 'obscenity-related charges' in film production, though admittedly it was considerably more disturbing footage than what John Walters ever produced. *

I truly wonder what's the next set of values to go through this process. By definition we can't know what they are and speculation has a terrible history of accuracy, especially if it is what we know as the truth (as defined by the majority, i.e. the establishment)

Also wonder if as technology accelerates the rate of social change, so will the typically generational cycle speeds of acceptance of new ideas.

* Danilo Croce https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2007/June/07_crm_410....

[satori99]

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

-Mahatma Gandhi (Maybe?)

[4ntonius8lock]

No, it wasn't his quote (at least not sourced)

Tons of people have attributed it to him though.

Personally, if I don't have the book and page of a quote, I don't source it.

[paganel]

> I truly wonder what's the next set of values to go through this process.

One still cannot do a funny movie/work of art about the Holocaust, as far as I can tell that’s one of the most taboo things to work with as an artist. Benigni’s movie was not a 100% comedy and maybe that’s why it eventually worked the way it did, but as far as I know Jerry Lewis’s movie was much more on the comedy side of things.

And if the King of Comedy himself cannot pull this off I think nobody else can. I also find it interesting that nobody else seems to be even trying nowadays, it has become too much of a taboo.

[fortran77]

Not true! "The Producers"

[paganel]

Sure, The Producers is a great comedy but it doesn’t take place in the actual camps themselves, that’s what I was trying to suggest that it is now taboo, i.e. that doing almost slap-stick comedy having the Holocaust camps as a background has become culturally out of reach.