[francisofascii]

"Hunting bans don't stop poaching. In fact, bans create more crime," If we go by that line of reasoning, then we should eliminate murder laws, since they don't completely stop murders and we could reduce crime since murders would no longer be illegal.

[LanceH]

"Abortion laws don't stop abortion, they just make it unsafe."

Allowing that line of reasoning seems to flip teams a lot.

(I don't condone either side's usage)

[defterGoose]

"Increasing success by lowering expectations."