[codesushi42]

Modern music has regressed into something primitive and tribal. In other words, completely mind numbing garbage. And it just gets worse every year.

Post Malone is a good indication of just how fast Western society is falling.

[goto11]

"My only deep sorrow is the unrelenting insistence of recording and motion picture companies upon purveying the most brutal, ugly, degenerate, vicious form of expression it has been my displeasure to hear — Naturally I refer to the bulk of rock ’n’ roll. It fosters almost totally negative and destructive reactions in young people."

Frank Sinatra, 1957

[paulcole]

You should hear what my dad had to say about Elvis!

[codesushi42]

Not really the same. Rock & roll still had melody and lyrics. Both are continually being simplified every year.

You should read this: https://science.slashdot.org/story/18/01/15/231230/is-pop-mu...

5. A researcher put 15,000 Billboard Hot 100 song lyrics through the well-known Lev-Zimpel-Vogt (LZV1) data compression algorithm, which is good at finding repetitions in data. He found that songs have steadily become more repetitive over the years, and that song lyrics from today compress 22% better on average than less repetitive song lyrics from the 1960s. The most repetitive year in song lyrics was 2014 in this study.

Conclusion: There is some scientific evidence backing the widely voiced complaint -- on the internet in particular -- that pop music is getting worse and worse in the 2000s and the 2010s. The music is slower, melodically simpler, louder, more repetitive, more "I" (first-person) focused, and more angry with anti-social sentiments. The 2010s got by far the most music quality down votes with 42% from people polled on which decade has produced the worst music since the 1970s.

[drhodes]

It kind of sounds like you're having a hard time finding good new music. It's out there if you look.

Snarky Puppy - Lingus (We Like It Here) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_XJ_s5IsQc

Hiatus Kaiyote - By Fire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ilr1AY41AA

Alina Engibaryan - We Are https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-dusz1TyD0

[jacobolus]

These seem like exactly the type of music the article was complaining about. Lots of repetition of short phrases without the kind of melodic structure the author preferred, and a focus on “sonic-texture”.

[paulcole]

Except the conclusion isn’t scientific at all. It’s 100% based on opinion. The author identified trends, yes, but that’s about it.

Simpler and more repetitive doesn’t mean worse — it means simpler and more repetitive. Never once have I listened to a song and thought, “Wow, this sucks, these lyrics would compress really easily.”

[emsy]

I do. Something like Hotel California that invokes a vivid imagery in one's mind seems unthinkable today. I don't know whether this affects the imagination or lingual abilities of the listeners, but it certainly can not produce the same emotions.

[paulcole]

I honestly don’t know whether you’re praising or criticizing Hotel California.

• https://www.laweekly.com/the-eagles-hotel-california-why-thi...

• https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/12/lets-talk-abo...

[emsy]

Think what you want about the song, but the lyrics are descriptive yet metaphorical. I made this example because I assumed everyone is familiar with it. The point is: the lyrics don't just consist of "I did this, I did that, yeah yeah yeah".

[codesushi42]

Simpler and repetitive does mean worse.

[mc_blue]

Simpler and repetitive does mean worse - for you. I actually agree with you, but I know plenty of people that love club/dance music, which is about as simple and repetitive as you can get. I think it's important to take the context of the music being played/performed as well: a simple, repetitive piece would likely not be received well in an orchestra hall, while a song with complex melody, deep lyrics, and rich harmony would likely be skipped at a football tailgate party. Music serves several functions in many different environments, and labeling a piece or style as universally worse is almost never true.

[paulcole]

Apologies in advance, there must be something wrong with my browser. The link to your source isn’t working.

[codesushi42]

Try again, this time by reading the page with your eyes open.

[Kye]

>> "Modern music has regressed into something primitive and tribal. In other words, completely mind numbing garbage. And it just gets worse every year."

The blending of hip hop into everything has been a huge boon for the evolution of western music just like the merger with jazz was in the '50s.

"Primitive"/"tribal" people had some good ideas that sometimes get lost in our panicked attempts to set ourselves ever-further above our roots.

[mwcampbell]

> panicked attempts to set ourselves ever-further above our roots.

I honestly don't know what you're talking about here. What's an example of such an attempt that you think was/is misguided?

[Kye]

See: the quote in my comment.

codesushi42 frames tribalness and primalness in music as a regression.

[codesushi42]

Yeah, who needs sophistication anyway? Let's go back to painting caves and naval gazing.

[112233]

From time to time one can stumble upon music like Joanna Newsom, and suddenly it all seems not so bad. Just burried under a mountain.

[timoth3y]

It is getting simpler in terms of melody and rhythm.

However, it is getting far more complex in terms of orchestration. There are far more kinds of sounds and textures in an average song today than there were 40 years ago.

Whether you like this or not, of course, is another matter.