[jedberg]

Most sites start that way. That was our policy on reddit too. If it was legal it was allowed. But you can see where that leads -- as you get bigger you attract a crowd that may be legal, but not one you want to support.

The best analogy is that I support your right to spew your hate speech if you want, but I'm not going to open my house and let you do it in my living room.

Most sites eventually decide that they don't want to be associated with that speech and clamp down.

[nostrademons]

The Wordpress community is less tightly intertwingled than Reddit (or Twitter, for that matter) was.

The chance of negative social interactions occurring goes up with the number of interactions, not the number of participants. In a dense community, this is O(N^2). In a sparse community, where participants subdivide into cliques that have little or nothing to do with each other, it approaches O(N).

Specific social features all have different effects on the degree of interconnectedness on a site. In particular, things like unified user profiles, retweets, direct-link shortcuts to either user profiles or posts, navigational links, and real-time engagement increase the interconnectedness. Things like no-comment links (np.reddit), time delays, separate domain names for different subjects, subreddits, few links between different communities, separate user accounts, etc. reduce the interconnectness. Social sites exist on a spectrum from individual communities (4chan, HN, forums, etc.) to densely-connected but partitioned networks (Twitter, Reddit, Discord, and Facebook) to publishing platforms (YouTube and Wordpress) to sitebuilders (SquareSpace, Wix, etc.) The latter end has virtually no problem with miscreants because it has virtually no social interaction; the former has a big problem with miscreants but has enjoyed the benefits of higher growth, higher engagement, and more ad dollars, except that if you go too far toward the community end, the community self-limits its size through rules and customs before it becomes big enough to monetize.

Wordpress has benefitted from slower growth - because they're basically a publishing platform rather than a community, they don't face the same problems that being a community has. (They didn't get the benefits, either, which is why Facebook is a $500B company and they're not.)

[mffnbs]

Steve's take on Reddit these days almost seems like he's doubling down on the whole "free speech" thing for better or for worse.

I personally left the site after eleven years. Steve actually permanently banned me after I had pointed out a few instances where racism was not only allowed to live, but seemingly encouraged.

[SkyBelow]

I can think of at least one subreddit that often hits the top of r/all that will limit posts only to people who have sent a picture of their forearm to the mod to verify their race. Somehow that is allowed. Literally submitting a picture of your skin for the color to be judged. headdesk

[ryacko]

Why not, forearms are still pretty identifiable, all the pictures of forearms, user names, and IP addresses will subject to administrative subpoena the next time something happens.

Or if someone feels like it.

[asdff]

What keeps me on is staying out of the r/all subs. Ever since forums have pretty much waned (rather SEO buried them from the light of day) subreddits are all that's left for niche interest forums or local groups. It's also painless to make your own subreddits.

Occasionally I'll be logged out of reddit and see the new defaults and my god, I feel like I'm getting dumber.

[marvin]

Permabanned by an admin and founder after 11 years as a user? That's actually quite impressive, unless you did something obviously outrageous.

[mffnbs]

Turns out he doesn't enjoy being tagged in the racist comments.

[tdb7893]

Yeah, I love free speech but fundamentally social media is a product that I use and not having to deal with hate speech all the time is an important part of that product for me. At a certain point I've found moderation leads to a vastly better product to use than no moderation. For people where no moderation is important they can use a product without it (like some of the different *chans) but they just aren't as popular with people.

[asdff]

The fact that people reflexively spam online chats if given the chance should tell you all you need to know about handing every jackass with a keyboard a megaphone.

[eridius]

Reddit is the poster child for why unfettered free speech is a huge problem for online communities.