[krel]

Can you elaborate on how you came to the conclusion that global warming == extinction? To discuss the question of what would be "as bad" as global warming, me need to ~agree on what those bad outcomes actually are.

Im skeptical that climate change will ever make humanity extinct. Lead to highly undesirables states, yes, but extinction, no.

[Diederich]

I've been what many would call a climate change alarmist for a couple of decades now.

I think it's also quite unlikely that climate change, or even results from it, will make humans extinct. Even if climate change triggers some kind of global thermonuclear war, which I think is a small possibility, I'm pretty convinced that humans are here to stay.

Maybe not many of us, but some.

In my opinion, extinction isn't the main worry. Collapse of civilization should be what we're trying to avoid. And that is a real possibility I think.

[krel]

Thank you. Regardless if I can follow you to "collapse of civilization" being a likely consequence or not, this is a step in the direction of a nuanced discussion.

(As an aside, Im not convinced humans are here to stay, but for very different reasons.)

[Diederich]

> Im not convinced humans are here to stay, but for very different reasons

I hear you, and I agree.