[jasonlotito]

> I don't think PHP offers a standard library to do that, does it?

https://www.php.net/manual/en/password.installation.php

"There is no installation needed to use these functions; they are part of the PHP core."

The functions are common knowledge in the community, and made to be easy to use.

> Further, the expertise I do bring to this conversation is in software development, and I can say assuredly that a one-man development team using no 3rd party libraries is definitely creating a codebase nigh unmaintainable by other people down the line.

They said, "No frameworks." They didn't say no libraries. Some people make a distinction between the two, others don't. You are taking the stance that they mean they mean the same thing. Realize that others don't consider them the same thing.

Further, the expertise I do bring to this conversation is in software development, and I can say assuredly that someone who doesn't know the nuances between libraries and frameworks in the software development world can't make the claim to have expertise in the software development world. =)

[diminoten]

I don't think someone nitpicking between the definition of the words "framework" and "library" is engaging in this conversation honestly, and I'm pretty sure that your failure to address the "this is but one of hundreds of examples, not all of which are covered by standard libraries in PHP" comment I made is further justification of that belief.

[jasonlotito]

> I don't think someone nitpicking between the definition of the words "framework" and "library" is engaging in this conversation honestly

I think it is, especially since you are nitpicking on it. I'll explain.

If the original poster is using libraries but not frameworks, and feel there is a distinction (and judging by the post, it's clear they feel that way), then they are using libraries, just not frameworks.

Therefore, when you say this: "a one-man development team using no 3rd party libraries" in the context of the discussion, you are making stuff up. No where does the original post suggest or otherwise say that they aren't using 3rd party libraries (quite the opposite).

For your comment to hold up, you need framework and libraries to be the same. However, by pointing out that often times developers see them as different (generally libraries make up frameworks), I'm making it clear that your conclusion is misinformed.

> I'm pretty sure that your failure to address the "this is but one of hundreds of examples, not all of which are covered by standard libraries in PHP" comment I made is further justification of that belief.

I addressed directly the one example you provided. You didn't provide hundreds. You provided one. I provided the answer out of courtesy, as you asked a direction question. Saying answering your direct question is justification of my dishonesty is insulting and childish.

Further, the fact that you are mistaken on the concept of the common use of library vs framework, I felt that your claim of "hundreds of examples" was hyperbole and ignorance. Maybe you can provide hundreds of examples where PHP and libraries written in PHP cannot solve problems that only fully fledged frameworks can provide? Keep in mind that libraries exist for many different things and since frameworks are made up of libraries, there is almost nothing relevant that a framework can do that libraries can't.

[mdemare]

In the context of web development, they are generally considered as distinct.

[diminoten]

Not the argument, nor is it relevant, hence the discussion about it being disingenuous.