[nfgu]

You can use rendering libraries, ORMs and session management libraries without a framework.

I think it's way nicer. I much prefer environments like Sinatra, Express or Flask than full-blown MVC frameworks.

[anthony_doan]

I did Flask and I thought it was so much work to do a login system and other stuff.

There were so many ways of structuring your codes. I find myself constantly rewriting the code to adapt to a new way of organizing codes.

I personally prefer a somewhat opinionated framework.

But I understand that there is a pro and con and a need for a barebone/slim framework versus a featureful framework.

I actually moved from flask & vuejs 2 from last year to phoenix & jquery.