[geggam]

Now you are saying a specific group of people get to define acceptable violence.

This is insane... who defines that group ? Are all govts legitimate ? Do all govts get to define violence ?

There is no ethical violence or all violence is ethical because your reasons arent more valid than someone elses

[Retra]

I am not saying that. I'm saying that considering the government to act only violently is a gross mischaracterization of reality such that even if you define things such that it is technically true, it is not a useful position to take.

My government has never forced me to do anything with a threat of violence -- I have been threatened with different manners of obvious inconvenience, but if that is no more acceptable to you than an actual threat of violence, then I'm afraid that is an unproductive, reductive, and uncompromising opinion.

[geggam]

If you commit a victimless crime (speeding) and the agent of the state fears for his life while talking to you... you are dead.

How is that not violent ?