[MrRadar]

??? What does that have anything to do with the comment you replied to?

> The reality is that there are plenty of people from all races that have made it to the top of society.

And yet the people at the "top of society" disproportionately come from a just a few of those groups. :thinking-emoji:

> ... what is currently happening in Qatar ...

Classic whataboutism. We can care about multiple things at the same time.

> while being broadcast on the very media they claim to have no representation in.

Minorities have much better access and representation in media today than they did in the past but it's still far from equal, particularly on the business side which has major influence over our media because that's where decisions are made about which projects get funded and which don't.

[davesmith1983]

> ??? What does that have anything to do with the comment you replied to?

Absolutely everything. This myth there hasn't been representation of minorities or women completely neglecting the fact that there has been plenty going back to mid 20th century.

> Classic whataboutism. We can care about multiple things at the same time.

Not at all. Slavery in Qatar is happening today, not in the past. The past can't be changed, but we can try to improve the future.

> Minorities have much better access and representation in media today than they did in the past but it's still far from equal, particularly on the business side which has major influence over our media because that's where decisions are made about which projects get funded and which don't.

Do white people have equal representation in Thai Cinema? What about rich white people always playing the bad guys there? This is a lie that is constantly sold to constantly sow racial division and people like you trot it out over and over again. All it does is divide people and allow both Black and White racist to whip up hatred.

[MrRadar]

> Not at all. Slavery in Qatar is happening today, not in the past. The past can't be changed, but we can try to improve the future.

The effects of American slavery linger to this day. People are allowed to care about things that impact them more than things that don't, and for most descendants of American slaves the slavery that happened 150+ years ago (and the subsequent 100 years of Jim Crow) has a more direct impact on their lives than foreign labor exploitation.

> All it does is divide people and allow both Black and White racist to whip up hatred.

Can you please provide an example of black racism and explain how it has prevented white people from achieving equality with black people.

[davesmith1983]

> The effects of American slavery linger to this day.

Do they? How?

> has a more direct impact on their lives than foreign labor exploitation.

Apparently slavery that happened over 100 years ago in a first world country where there is relatively good education (a friend of mine is married to a Cambodian woman and she didn't learn how to read until she was 16) is more important than the slavery that is happening all over the world today.

[MrRadar]

Why are you trying to play the oppression olympics? We can care about multiple things at the same time.

Re: the legacy of slavery, this USA Today article is a good starting point[1].

Additionally, it's plainly obvious that black Americans today have much less wealth than white Americans. When whites settled in the US they were often given farm land or brought capital from abroad to start businesses. Black slaves had neither. When they were freed most became trapped in sharecropping arrangements (often for generations) that left them with little wealth. White Americans also benefited much more from the social programs of the early 20th century, such as New Deal work programs or subsidized home mortgages (look up "red lining"), that helped build wealth.

Also, you did not provide an example of black racism (which you have referenced in at least two posts as being equal to white racism).

[1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/02/08/co...

[davesmith1983]

> Why are you trying to play the oppression olympics? We can care about multiple things at the same time.

Right I am no longer interested in talking to you. Pretending something is whataboutism when I am trying to bring some perspective is a nonsense.

As for your stats. I've seen stats that if Black couples get married and have a household they do just as well as White couples from a similar background (not I am not going to trawl the internet to cherry pick some proof).

>A lso, you did not provide an example of black racism (which you have referenced in at least two posts as being equal to white racism).

I never claim it was equal, I never claimed to know the proportions. TBH I am getting quite fed up of someone constantly putting words into my mouth.

[asdfgasd]

Your claim this isn't whataboutism is interesting based on a quick reading of your comment history. It sure doesn't appear that you actually care about these other issues or you're just trying to provide 'perspective'. Think about the ideals you associate yourself with before complaining that people are putting words in your mouth.

Whitewashing the proud boys:

> The proud boys are a strange white power group when they have prominent black members.

Claiming UKIP aren't racist because they are 'normal' people:

> Have you actually talked to many UKIP supporters? I've spoken to UKIP when they knocked on the door and they seemed like pretty normal people.

(I'm sure they're normal, but they're also racists)

Claiming apparent race-baiting:

> As for the the actual article you linked, the author herself has nice race-bait titles of work

Comparing criticisms of historic oppression in science to Nazi Germany:

> There is also ideas of "Colonial Science" or "White Science" which reminds me of movement of removing "Jewish" Science and Mathematics in preference to "Aryan Science" before World War II.'

I might not call you a racist, but you're sure carrying a lot of water for them.