[clubm8]

>We already have a warrant system in place that is more than adequate for protecting privacy and excessive dragnet fishing expeditions.

Do you have a citation for that claim?

There are vast[1] systems in place that violate laws and norms, so much so the IETF has labeled pervasive monitoring as an "attack"[2]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosure... [2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7258

[dmix]

None of the things you linked to use the traditional warrant system. Particularly the whole FISA system and our terrorist laws here in Canada which sidestepped criminal courts entirely.

[clubm8]

not really sure what your point is so maybe you can clarify: are you saying it's ok to have a separate type of warrant for terrorists?

"traditional warrant system" is not a legal term. FISA warrants are warrants. Highly problematic, but warrants.

You may be interested in reading about how even FISA felt the NSA overstepped:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/d7axey/this-is-the-secret...