[chessturk]

How do you weigh something like the burka?

On one hand to reject it, you would be intolerant of hundreds of years of tradition.

On the other hand, to permit it is to accept the idea that men are incapable of controlling not sexually assualting a woman and that women ought to be blamed for their own victimization. This is clearly intolerant of women being full members of society.

Either way, permitting or banning the burka is intolerant.

Then you arrive at that whole legal concept of reasonable discrimination, because property laws discriminate against thieves. But what is reasonable here?

I'm fond of the idea of only tolerating tolerance, but how do you deal with these edge cases? If you rigidly adhere to that tolerance-uber-allis belief, how long until you end up jailing people for following ancient but intolerant traditions? How long until you end up with Chinese style muslim re-education camps? This isn't a troll, this is actually one of my own philosophical conundrums. I believe in a vacuum that people would be happier not following those ancient intolerant schemas, but I don't see that as the situation in the present day.

[emilsedgh]

The solution to Burqa is not to make it illegal, but to educate future generations.

Burqa wearing woman don't harm anyone but themselves.

I don't understand how wearing Burqa is different from something like being Amish.

Should we make that illegal too?

[drevil-v2]

> If the woman want to wear Burka, it should be within their rights.

What if there are robbers targeting fuel stations and 7-11 stores or mugging people on the street, using burka's and the entire black garment to cover their intent on approach and foil any video surveillance?

How many such incidents would it take before you would consider that Burka's ought to be banned in public spaces? Let's up the stakes and say the robberies were violent; how many people would have to die before you banned burkhas?

[emilsedgh]

Are we talking hypothetically? Because as of right now I cannot find any stats on burqa attacks in the states but people are robbing 7-11 stores every day without burqa anyways.

[drevil-v2]

Netherlands just banned the Burkha in public spaces for this reason (among others).

In Australia bike helmets are banned in 7-11, Fuel stations, Banks, Pubs, Casino's, Festivals etc for the same reason.

The point I am making is that you can't ignore the possibility of bad actors now or in the future. There are layers of cultural differences and social mores and in a multicultural society you can't just import one aspect of a culture without considering the foundations and layers on top.

[jammygit]

You can’t ban people’s right to be in public anonymously because a few crazies will use it to commit crimes. The solution of banning those measures is nearly equivalent to saying “all humans should be under 24/7 surveillance in public by the state for their own good”

[emilsedgh]

I'm curious to know your stance on the right to bear arms.

[drevil-v2]

In the context of American culture it seems like a significant fraction of citizens wish to own and bear arms. That desire which exists within those citizens has deep cultural and historical roots.

But export that same cultural desire via a migrant American residing in almost any other country in the world and it would seem out of place in the context of the local culture. People would be weird out by the creepy American who insists on keeping guns in his or her house.

Same goes for the Burkha. Take it out of context of it's deep historical and cultural context in it's birthplace and it is an anachronism; like taking Mt Fuji and placing in the middle of Saudi Arabia.