[jacobwilliamroy]

How are whistleblowers a threat? People like Donald Rumsfeld ought to be tried for war crimes. The "annexation" of Hawaii was both a war crime and a violation of the constitution (read: crime). All of these are common knowledge, well documented, yet there are very few people who are actually doing anything about it.

[s_y_n_t_a_x]

A bit strange to be focused on an event from 126 years ago.

[jacobwilliamroy]

An event which laid the foundation for many of the economic issues facing Hawaii today. Resolving this issue would enrich the lives of many people currently living in Hawaii.

[jki275]

Are you suggesting we should just abandon the state? I'm sure there are a few people who feel that way in HI, but I don't think that's the prevailing desire. I suspect doing so would make things markedly worse for them.

[jacobwilliamroy]

I would like to ask some questions, just to make sure I am doing a good job of understanding what you want to say. Who is "we"? Who is "them"? What is meant by "abandon"?

[jki275]

What are you proposing by "resolving this issue"? What other course of action is there?

[jacobwilliamroy]

Buckle up, friend. This is going to get weird.

There are enough resources in Hawaii to survive a peaceful, orderly withdrawal of the U.S. occupation. The Kingdom of Hawaii still exists and has either original or successor treaty relationships with 173 out of the 193 Member States of the United Nations. To name a few: Germany, Great Britain, Denmark, Japan, Samoa, Russia, China, Siam and The Netherlands. Subjects of the Hawaiian Kingdom like Keanu Sai and Lance Larsen have already been working at the U.N. to gain international support and recognition: complaints against the U.S. have been filed with the United Nations Secretary General, the Security Council, the President of the General Assembly, as well as various UN commissions, agencies and bodies such as the Human Rights Committee, the Human Rights Council, the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, and the Office of High Commissioner on Human Rights. Petitions were recently filed with the UN Fourth Committee and the Committee of 24.

As for domestic actions, there are a few which come to mind. First of all, all actions taken after January 17 1893 that are contrary to Hawaiian Kingdom laws, be they statutes, resolutions, land titles, court rulings etc. are invalid as they were produced under false premises in unlawful jurisdictions, by dishonest persons bent on perpetrating fraud. The United States has no sovereignty within the borders of the Hawaiian Kingdom: all of the 49 United States have a treaty of cession, while Hawaii does not (for Texas, see the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo). There is no valid precedent for annexation or statehood of a sovereign state without a treaty of cession and thus the occupation of the Hawaiian Kingdom can easily be interpreted as unconstitutional. Ex injura jus non oritur: unjust acts cannot create lawful ones. Some families have already gotten wise to this and have used land titles dating back to the Great Mahele to occupy lands which currently are fraudulently being bought and sold by the State of Hawaii, and other beneficiaries of U.S. imperialism.

As the Kingdom of Hawaii is an occupied nation, it still retains sovereignty over its territory and thus the application of U.S. law or "State of Hawaii" law is illegal. Think of Iraq's illegal occupation of Kuwait, or Russia's illegal occupation of Crimea. At some point the U.S. and the State of Hawaii are going to have to return the people they have incarcerated back to the Hawaiian Kingdom from which they were taken. I know at least one lawyer who is currently working on this. Things like driving a vehicle, opening a bank account, or purchasing a home are almost impossible for Hawaiian Kingdom subjects, yet foreign nationals are allowed and often heavily encouraged to do such things, through policies such as the EB-5 investment program.

The Hawaiian Kingdom is free to trade with whomever it pleases in whatever way it sees fit. The United States prohibits foreign ships from unloading cargo in Hawaii, and requires them to stop in California for inspection artificially inflating the cost of imported goods.

This stuff goes on and on and I haven't even touched on the movements currently happening within the U.S. systems to get more freedom without ending the occupation.

Anyways, I'm still curious what you mean by "we just abandon the state?" What would that entail and how would it be detrimental to Hawaii?

[s_y_n_t_a_x]

That's impossible to tell and the US is the richest nation on Earth, the Federal government provides financial assistance to states.

[jacobwilliamroy]

Hawaii is one of the most unstable unsecure countries on earth and it has been made that way under U.S. occupation. It is so heavily dependent on outside resources that if the giant robots that unload cargo in Honolulu ever shut down, a massive humanitarian crisis will ensue in hours. Once upon a time, the land supported a population of 2 million people with no outside help.

Money is worthless in a place like Hawaii where proper land and marine management are the sole requirements for ensuring the well-being of the community. Food production is crippled as the land is destroyed to make way for suburbs and shopping malls. The "state" government routinely approves projects which divert water away from prime farmlands to fill swimming pools and irrigate massive golf courses covered in invasive grass. In Kihei they're teaching school kids that their land is a dry wasteland when everyone's grandparents remember that it was wetlands before the water was diverted.

Hosting the U.S. military has made many places in Hawaii incapable of sustaining life as they heavily pollute any area they occupy. They broke the water table on Kahoolawe and now no one can live there for thousands of years. They are currently allowing jet fuel to leak into the aquifer under red hill.