[tootie]

No languages are casual. I wrote Perl for about 5 years and was super productive with, but haven't looked it for quite a while. Most energy these days goes into JavaScript/node and it devolves into gibberish really, really quickly. The community really dove into the punctuation-based syntax, preprocessors and meta languages head first and created a real Frankenstein. And they'll complain that Java or C# are too verbose and slow to work with.

[futureastronaut]

> The community really dove into the punctuation-based syntax, preprocessors and meta languages head first and created a real Frankenstein.

More is on the way. Github issue thumbs up-driven development means it's the new C++ kitchen sink.

[nkozyra]

> No languages are casual.

Not sure I agree with that. Languages which share widely used conventions and syntax can be picked back up much more quickly.