[esotericn]

The whole issue here is in thinking about pricing carbon as a "fine".

It represents fixing the economic incentives.

If a beef burger is 10x more environmentally damaging than a vegetable one, it should cost approximately ten times more.

As I've posted below - this is child-level logic. It's time for us to sort our shit out. There really is no option.

We need stable homes, nutrition, and a bit of entertainment. We don't need no-holds-barred competition to literally use as much of everything as we possibly can; and we _certainly_ don't need that to be apportioned essentially randomly - the more damaging activities should cost more.

If it bothers you to be confronted by that - if your first thoughts are "economic damage" and the fact your life might slightly change - I'm sorry for you. Because you really are fucked, you're coming down with all of us.

[indemnity]

You’re not using effective arguments that will change someone’s point of view.

I believe climate change is coming but trying to convince someone they should change because they are a Bad Person if they don’t change their ways, or that some unspecified type of fuckedness is looming, is not very successful.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1602.01103v1.pdf

[esotericn]

When the carbon tax happens they won't have a choice.

Or it won't and we die in a fire.

So it goes.

I don't aim to convince anyone; just stating how it is. I think most are beyond saving.