[srikbs8095]

Forgive me for being the party-pooper here.

I might be going off on a tangent, but this govt has a history of cooking up numbers. Be it GDP, be it out-of-deficit spending or be it the output of the informal economy. Something that's coming from PMO, I'd be super skeptical. Pardon me for pointing out their carelessness in handling water crisis and climate change, but sure, they focussed on tiger population growth. Definitely believable.

[pkphilip]

This was exactly my thought as well. This government has gone to extraordinary lengths to open up forests to industries with very little protection for the environment. They have also denied the rights of indigenous tribals to the lands.

Source: https://theprint.in/opinion/environment-is-the-most-under-re...

How can the tiger population increase when forest cover has dropped drastically?

Fact is, the environment protection under Modi has been a disaster. Source: https://www.downtoearth.org.in/coverage/india/report-card-en...

[sbmthakur]

I'm not sure what do you mean by denied the rights of indigenous tribals to the lands.

It was the Supreme Court that ordered to evict tribals from forests over a case filed by several wildlife groups. A review petition filed by the Centre then led to the stay on the eviction order.

Source: https://wap.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/su...

[pkphilip]

See this: The government is amending the Forest Rights Act in ways which will put the tribals at the mercy of the forest officers: https://www.livemint.com/politics/policy/why-proposed-change...

[techie128]

Do you think Tiger population growth happens overnight? I think successive governments have invested in making sure Tiger population growth is healthy. Read this: https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/144540/china-and-in...

Do you think India and China are somehow cooking up green cover to fool NASA's satellites too? Give me a break.

[srikbs8095]

My friend, if you've been in touch with how this govt presents numbers, you'd be on my side. I acknowledge that in this case there is no hard evidence on either side, except for the statement by PMO. Good luck getting anything out of an RTI (if it still exists).

The article you shared, I completely agree with it. There are a number of other factors that go into tiger population growth. Greenery is just one part of it.

I never said the number of tigers *decreased". They might have actually increased, but I was only pointing out the potential misrepresentation by this govt which has been seen with numbers time and again.

[rohit2412]

The numbers have doubled since 2006. The surveys in 2010 and 2014 showed similar increases.

I am no modi bhakt or bjp supporter, but it is appalling that people will just oppose and disbelieve anything the current government does. I can claim very confidently that you would have no problem if Manmohan Singh announced this news.

[srean]

> am no modi bhakt or bjp supporter, but it is appalling that people will just oppose and disbelieve anything the current government does.

They had it coming. Its an entirely natural and well deservrd reaction to 'crying wolf' and fudging numbers. Reputation will eventually catch up. Thats how Bayesian inference works.

[srikbs8095]

I could say the exact same thing about Congress's GDP numbers. It should good progress over the years, until NDA came in and downgraded them. I would be critical no matter which govt it is. The underlying problem I have is with the inefficiencies of the informal counting/measuring process. If the ruling govt pokes its nose in a "supposed to be" independent authority carrying out the process, then of course I would be skeptical. Especially after it has been exposed multiple times.

"it is appalling that people will just oppose and disbelieve anything the current government does"

Frankly, I'm not the one running troll farms and calling everyone anti-national. Nor am I the one killing my accuser.

"I can claim very confidently that you would have no problem if Manmohan Singh announced this news."

I would believe the news by anyone who has integrity.

[mynameisvlad]

"Frankly, I'm not the one running troll farms and calling everyone anti-national. Nor am I the one killing my accuser."

Neither is every single person who is rooting for the other side in this, or any debate, including, likely, the person you replied to. While pretending that everyone on the other side is running troll farms, it's a strawman that isn't actually helpful for debate.

Do you have any specific reasons why this specific tiger census is untrue?

[sachdevap]

Just to add nuance to the green cover info - "... 82 percent in India, comes from intensive cultivation of food crops ..." -- from the article you shared. Food crops don't really help the reasons we pursue aforestation.

[sbmthakur]

> Pardon me for pointing out their carelessness in handling water crisis and climate change, but sure, they focussed on tiger population growth.

A lot of water management happens at the state-level. And the worst water-crisis in recent memory happened at Chennai, which is not a BJP ruled state.

Also, considering the push towards renewable energy, I'm not sure how it's fine to blame the PMO for "carelessness against climate change."

[vijaybritto]

You're right that they lie all the time and we can't really trust them, but this has been a multi year effort started many many years ago. Also I dont think that they are gonna gain anything electorally from lying about this!

[srikbs8095]

"Also I don't think that they are gonna gain anything electorally from lying about this!"

Don't underestimate the data-driven sentiment analysis. Positive vibes are a thing. I don't think I need to explain it to you.

[vijaybritto]

Too many questions might get you tagged as an Urban Naxal :D

[srikbs8095]

haha good one.