[Eopia]

>Boeing obviously screwed this up, but we gave them the incentive to screw it up, and that's on us too.

No WE didn't. THEY wanted to cut costs and it appears to me THEY cut corners to achieve it. This is like saying the professor made me cheat by making the exam artificially complicated and learning would have cost to much time.

[AnthonyMouse]

Yes WE did.

This isn't a game or a class. If you have rules that result in preventable deaths in actual reality then you have bad rules. Even when there is plenty of blame to go around.

[tempguy9999]

> ...but we gave them the incentive to screw it up,...

> ...Yes WE did...

Who is WE here? The general public who use the planes? The airlines who bought the planes?

The public and the airlines relied on the FAA. The FAA allowed boeing to self-cert. The FAA's job was safety. The FAA failed in that. It was their job and they didn't do it properly. It's the FAA at fault not some amorphous WE.

[18pfsmt]

There was no American flight that crashed. The crashes were Ethiopian and Indonesian where the FAA has no jurisdiction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_MAX_groundings

[pdonis]

> There was no American flight that crashed.

But that's not because 737 MAX aircraft flying in US airspace somehow didn't have the problem that caused the crashes. There has been plenty of coverage online of US pilots repeatedly filing reports with the FAA of "near miss" incidents in 737 MAX aircraft caused by the same problem.

[tempguy9999]

So the FAA certifies planes that fly in US airspace but does not certify planes that fly elsewhere, and cannot therefore be held accountable for crashes caused by defective aircraft in those non-US airspaces?

Are you seriously suggesting that?

[18pfsmt]

According to the HN guidelines, you are in violation because you have assumed bad faith on my part. I will not engage further with you, tempguy9999, you are not responding to my most obvious argument. Good day.

[tempguy9999]

Mine was not a bad-faith interpretation, it was the only interpretation I could make of your argument. I literally can't see any other. If that was my failure then in turn please don't assume bad faith on my part; instead assume my stupidity instead, and please re-explain in a clearer/different way.