[siphon22]

We need to make it so cringe to behave like this that people will stop doing it naturally to distance themselves from those people. I already look down on people like this myself. People in the West do not utilize societal shaming enough I feel, so much focus on individuality that people are forced to tolerate that some people are terrible humans because otherwise they'll be on the side of NAZIS or whatever for wanting people to be civilized.

I think it's already trending that way, but the effects are slow to arrival.

[rofo1]

> People in the West do not utilize societal shaming enough I feel,

Critical point. Only when people start to think about this topic, they'll realize that shaming was invented for a reason, and a great reason: it works. It kept order into civilizations for millennia.

[Nasrudith]

Really that is a very idealized version of social shaming. It sucks and hasn't been focused where there is any actual utility but instead the stupidest fucking most injust things. A young woman has a naked body under her clothes! Shame and forced resignation from pagents regardless of source. The twisted values of shame culture include major "not unless you get caught" fundamentally. To the point of absurdities where in Japan it is shameful to be identified drunk despite getting smashed being the company norm. And that is before getting into the sociopaths behind these social order ideals.

Really fuck social order and fuck social shaming - may they die and stay dead and buried and we have to deal with petty problems instead of this bullshit.