[nosianu]

> I'm a German soon to be CS graduate

As someone who was in that position ca. 20 years ago and then moved to SV for almost a decade: I don't think I would have dare to make such a sweeping claim as you:

> The German job market is precisely as described by GP

As a completely new entry into the job market, despite plenty of real work experience (during the last two years of my study the study was "secondary", I managed to make all major university projects about things I needed to do at work anyway), how could I possibly have know enough? I know I never had that feeling.

I actually did move to SV immediately so I can understand what draws you, no argument there. Still, I returned after almost a decade.

I think you are waayyyyyy overvaluing your own experience level. Where does such confidence come from? You cannot know even 1% of the German IT job market given how many medium sized of importance there are. Even in the US there is a large number of software businesses nobody has ever heard of because they are in a niche. For example, I once consulted for a company in Fort Worth (TX) where software for giants like Walmart was written. I think even here in this forum very few people would have heard of that company.

Occasionally someone, often magazines, ask about-to-be-finished students where they want to work. Inevitably the top ten are a handful of major names. That says a lot about students knowledge about potential employers, which seems to consist of only a few names of the already well-known few big companies. It says nothing at all about the reality of the far more diverse job market and the myriad of interesting options at thousands of other interesting companies.

Example: Top companies to work for,

- Students of business: https://www.arbeitgeber-ranking.de/rankings/studenten/bereic...

- Students of engineering: https://www.arbeitgeber-ranking.de/rankings/studenten/bereic...

If you just drive through Germany blindly, without a map, you'll find company after company that would never be listed here because they are not a mass-market brand.

So by all means, do go to SV, it's certainly a great experience. Just don't overvalue your own experience, and question why you are so confident in your claims and generalizing your own very limited experience.

[wiz21c]

secondign this. I'm 45 yo, and by the time I entered the job market, I was a real good developer (sold my first commercial program at 16, made 3D engines at 18, etc.). And you know what ? I didn't knew anything. That's because software is a just a part of the equation : knowing the business, the people, the rules, the companies, your own needs in life, working with others, with management, etc. All of that you don't learn at school and you learn as you go. So if you can land a job in SV, just do it, but don't think that's the end of it :-)

Now, for my part, I came to the conclusion software is just a tool and, as that tool, I want to be used for things that matter to me. Since I think that the only thing that matters now are fighting poverty, climate change, I really wonder what I'm gonna do...

And I can assure you, when I was at your age, all my life was oriented to make one and only one thing : 3D engines for video games, which I did.

So you see, life is full of surprise :-)

[est31]

Thank you both for your input. I don't want to leave Germany on a permanent basis. I'm looking forward to the German job market in 5-7 years, maybe more, maybe less, depending on how much I like it.

As for well-known vs not well known: usually bigger companies have more employee protections, more career possibilities, pay better, etc. In small companies you have more power and control, and to some this makes them more interesting. I think larger companies are better but maybe I'll be annoyed by the bureocracy and switch to a smaller company, idk :).

[nosianu]

> usually bigger companies have

And again you make sweeping generalizations...

I worked at what was a startup whose name you likely know, during the dot com boom, you could go from not-long-out-of-university to "very important head honcho of XYZ department" going (or flying) to very important meetings with really important executives of major companies in no time. Try that at some major company. It's actually rather unhealthy - for everybody, although the drug feels good to you at that time.