[sveme]

In my major German company, mostly living off hardware, we seem to be at least living with a decent stack (though mostly using the MS copycats of Slack, Jira and Github). Interesting that it seems to be different at other companies. However, describing the automotive companies of being unaware of the need for more software devs is simply false - living in Munich, all the companies are doing is investing in software devs (car media, autonomous driving, electric cars, digital business models, apps, car sharing,...)

[ahartmetz]

German car companies have absolutely recognized their problem with software several years ago (from what I can see 5-10 years ago), but they are still varying levels of bad at implementing the solution. One of the things they are doing is starting daughter companies that only do software... but still get infected by the awful development and management culture of the parent.