[altmind]

I was never happy with the way docker was designed - it tried to steal too much work from the operating system. Docker should never had logging framework not should it be a daemon+client talking over socket, creating permission, indirection and async problems.

Docker is straigh hostile to systemd, tried to bite part of its responsibilities and does not cooperate with it in many parts.

If you want to run a docker image as a system service, its much easier to do that with podman - the docker image will inherit the system.limits and will behave like a Type=simple service with proper start/stop control and logging.

-- add: worth noting, that podman and buildah are very alike "docker" and "docker build" up to the point that you can do alias docker="podman" and can expect all the docker features work. they consume the same docker files, they build the same OCI images and can use the same registries. trying podman/buildah/scopeo really got me thinking - where's the moby inc. business? how can they commercialize a commodity?

[jarfil]

Moby Inc.'s business should be in services related to Docker. On itself, the docker software is just a helper tool to set up some kernel services, any bunch of shell scripts could do that.

[cat199]

> I was never happy with the way docker was designed - it tried to steal too much work from the operating system. Docker should never had logging framework not should it be a daemon+client talking over socket, creating permission, indirection and async problems.

> Docker is straigh hostile to systemd, tried to bite part of its responsibilities and does not cooperate with it in many parts.

you had me until the rationale for this was protecting systemd, which is doing the exact same thing..

[altmind]

i had a specific operating system that already come with systemd. and all our company's programs are packaged as systemd services. i dont like the way systemd treated system.limits, udev, logind, dbus that is impossible to remove and logging that is worse than rsyslog, but hell, we already paid the price for adopting systemd, why paying extra for docker exibiting same behavior?