[noir_lord]

> But philosophy does - and it tells us you can’t get mind from matter, no matter what configuration you put it in.

Curious - do you think humans have mind? because if so we are very much matter and if not well that's an interesting thought as well.

[benl]

That’s right - we have minds therefore we must be more than just matter.

I used to think the opposite, but reading the philosophy on the subject changed my mind. There are a lot of different takes on the topic, but what most added up for me was the philosophy of Aristotle and Aquinas. There are many great expositions of their work out there.

[tim333]

AGI in the sense of robots that can do the jobs people can, design better robots and so on would be a game changer in itself. You can leave to philosophers to argue if they have true feelings and that.

[mathgenius]

But, not even matter is "very much matter".

I'm a quantum maximalist: the brain is just the antennae, receiving and broadcasting. Attention itself cuts (slices) through the quantum soup, and as a result, these mind-forms appear.

[Quarrelsome]

A framing: can we make a rock think?

I don't know the answer but that some people think they do upsets me. I definitely think we should try but right now mostly what we do is make a rock DO so I'm not seeing the leap yet.