[sysbin]

Everything is just cause & effect. It’s impossible to make a choice or decision that’s truly one’s own. Nobody can make a choice or decision without being effected by what encompasses them and with all the external forces being inflicted upon them as well. Even a death like suicide is thus a natural death when it happens because it couldn’t have been different. People assume it could have been different by desiring everything was a choice of our own but in reality we don’t have choice that’s our own.

[bigbluedots]

How did you decide whether or not to post this comment?

[sysbin]

I didn't, all the preceding events (external forces exerted upon me) made it so.

[mistermann]

Do the preceding events (external forces exerted upon you) allow you to realize you are working with a theory, not a fact?

[bigbluedots]

Does it give you comfort to hold that view? i.e. if everything is completely deterministic then you cannot be responsible for the consequences of your actions.

[pixl97]

Why cant you be held responsible? It seems as if determinism has already aligned and demands I hold you responsible.

[sysbinn]

I don't see how that would give me comfort in a society that is conditioned and even manipulated to think contrary. I see people in prison and even if they're innocent (in the traditional sense) of the crime. Your rhetoric is typically voiced from people assuming it's not good to understand reality and I typically think what nonsense. I guess similar to how some people preferred everyone assuming the world to be flat. Simply, assuming it's better to think contrary doesn't make reality not so.

[bigbluedots]

I'd suggest that there is no way for either of us to know whether we actually have free will or not. So you are free to go on acting as if we don't, and I'm free to go on acting as if we do.

[sysbin]

Well there is research that shows that we don't have free will. Nothing has shown we might have free will. Neither of us are free to think anything.