[belltaco]

Nations don't get visas. Individuals do. Punishing or rewarding people on the basis of where they were born instead of their own skills is wrong.

Regarding #2, the body shops are able to get away with it because of the long GC backlog for Indians. Hence companies like to hire Indians precisely because they will work for them for a long time without pay hikes because of the GC backlog, compared to hiring Americans or workers from other non-backlogged countries. This bill will take that away and equalize everyone's footing. You know the body shops and staffing companies hate this bill right?

>Is it fair that indian GC backlog will delay GC for other nationals, in case the 7% limit is lifted?

Yes, it is. It's called first come first served. That's like asking if it is fair that people who got into the queue at the DMV before you get to go to the counter before you. Yes, it definitely is.

[bazooka_penguin]

The reason why diversity is good is because it helps break down enclaves and bubbles and let's the dominant culture play a bigger role. When people from one nation migrate en masse are they forced to integrate into their new environment and culture or they do they form ethnic and cultural enclaves that resist the dominant culture and form a concrete in group that resists outsiders, including the native population?

Country quotas have existed across the globe and history for a reason. People inherently have in group preferences, they are nationalist, that includes migrants.

[belltaco]

First of all, this bill benefits people that are already in the US and working there for close to a decade, so all that text about diversity in your post is completely irrelevant.

Looks like you need to advocate for national quotas on H1B visas, so you're barking up the wrong tree.

>Country quotas have existed across the globe and history for a reason

Not really. Do you have examples of other countries still enforcing a country quota on work visas?

[C1sc0cat]

But its fairer - its certainly not fair that one country take the lions share?

What about some bright young kid from Saharan Africa doesn't get a fair chance at a H1b Visa.

And you could argue from a realpolitik view that allowing more sub Sharan h1b's would act as a counter to the Chinese Belt and Road would be a good policy

[belltaco]

The bright young kid from Saharan Africa has a less chance of being hired by a company right now because he will get his green card in 7 months, compared to 70 years for a less bright Indian worker. Companies can pay the Indian worker less to retain him for a decade since he cannot switch companies easily unlike the African worker. It also reduces their employee turnover so they prefer Indian workers. This new law will make it more likely for that African worker to get hired because everything would be on an even footing so the bright young kid would get preferred.

[triceratops]

> What about some bright young kid from Saharan Africa doesn't get a fair chance at a H1b Visa.

Why not? They can go the student, OPT route and a shot at H1B the same as anyone else. Plus they'll get a green card faster than any bright Indian or Chinese kid.

EDIT: Changed some wording and "engineer" to "bright kid"

[C1sc0cat]

But the bright possibly partially self taught "bright kid" wont have the same support structure. Its just like WASP kids with a rich mommy and daddy who can support them in unpaid internships for those high status jobs.

[triceratops]

How does keeping per-country green card quotas do anything at all to fix this problem? I'm not seeing any connection here.