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by rosser 2533 days ago
> Anecdotally observed...

Yeah, I'm talking about actual research, conducted on large colonies of ferals, not a couple cats at grandma's farm. Some links:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/feral-cats-kil...

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/moral-cost-of-...

https://www.audubon.org/news/feral-cat-predation-birds-costs...

https://www.thespruce.com/discourage-feral-cats-386479

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2380

EDIT: And I say this as a cat owner. My current and prior cats were literal street rescues.

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> I'm talking about actual research, conducted on large colonies of ferals, not a couple cats at grandma's farm.

i'm talking about close to 10 years observation on 8 farms each usually having 5-10 ferals. I kind of doubt that all of the research you refer to can match that.

The links you point to is mostly fear mongering opinion pieces by the people with agenda (see the link below on animal cruelty criminal conviction) - "cats kill!" - we've been there with wolves killing caribou. And cats playing final shot for 33 species - well, among all those multitude of species disappearance and wildlife population decimation humans caused it is kind of surprising that it is only 33. I mean, statistically speaking any minor factor related to humans can be accounted for final shot for a hundreds and thousands of species disappearance.

And specifically about those cat hating Smithsonian "researchers" what you so eager to link to - https://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla/2011/11/a-dc-bird-rese...

"A postdoctoral researcher at the Smithsonian's Migratory Bird Center at the National Zoo was found guilty Monday of attempting to poison cats in her northwest Washington neighborhood.

...

A District of Columbia Superior Court judge convicted her of attempted animal cruelty, a misdemeanor. "

It is like a convicted murderer coming out with a research showing that the homicide of the kind he committed is good for society. Would you trust to and post links to such a "research"?

> i'm talking about close to 10 years observation on 8 farms each usually having 5-10 ferals. I kind of doubt that all the research you refer to can match that.

So, to a Fermi approximation, what's that, a hundred total animals, tops?

Some of the research I'm talking about involves individual colonies that are easily an order of magnitude larger in number.

EDIT: Re: that researcher's behavior and your shadow-edit about murderers: one person's bad behavior doesn't change the facts. That anecdote is irrelevant here, and bringing it up is a form of ad hominem.